Meters or Yards?? - Page 2

Sailor Steve · 11-30-06, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

They used patrol areas...not grids. I think there were around 14 patrol areas,which meant that US boats had to cover alot more territory while hunting than the U-Boats did.

Not quite sure how it was handled when multiple subs operated in the same patrol area...I think they used lattitude and longitude for the patrol boundaries in that situation.

I'm not sure either, but I think you're right about the boundaries within a patrol zone. I vaguely remember reading a discussion long ago in which someone mentioned that SHI's patrol zones were much larger than the areas subs were actually assigned to patrol. I know that "vaguely remembered" and "long ago" are hardly real evidence, but that's as close as I can come.

I do remember one account of two subs in adjacent areas colliding underwater, resulting in one being forced very deep and the other knocked to the surface, from United States Submarine Operations In World War Two.

_Seth_ · 11-30-06, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I do remember one account of two subs in adjacent areas colliding underwater, resulting in one being forced very deep and the other knocked to the surface, from United States Submarine Operations In World War Two.

Did it end well?

Sailor Steve · 11-30-06, 12:10 PM

Yep, ended fine. Neither one knew what had happened right away. The one on the surface was spotted and attacked by the Japanese, but escaped. The one forced deep heard noises in the distance, came to periscope depth and saw ships depth-charging somebody. After their respective patrols were over and the reports were compared they realized they must have hit each other. Until then it was just "collided with something".

When I have access to my books again I can give the full account.

_Seth_ · 11-30-06, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Yep, ended fine. Neither one knew what had happened right away. The one on the surface was spotted and attacked by the Japanese, but escaped. The one forced deep heard noises in the distance, came to periscope depth and saw ships depth-charging somebody. After their respective patrols were over and the reports were compared they realized they must have hit each other. Until then it was just "collided with something".

When I have access to my books again I can give the full account.

Sounds good, mate, i found this story interesting! In all of the great pacific, they manage to collide...... Was Bernard involved....:hmm:

Looking forward to you update, when you have the books, mate!!!

TheSatyr · 11-30-06, 02:33 PM

And there was one incident where two subs were right at the boundary and one fired at the other thinking it was a Japanese sub. Fortunately they missed.

I do think the patrol areas changed later in the war...but I think they just went from being numbered to being named. (I always did like the "Maru Morgue" name. Heh).

_Seth_ · 11-30-06, 06:48 PM

Lets just hope SHIV has some missions in the bongo straits...

TheSatyr · 11-30-06, 09:16 PM

The Bungo Suido? Can't have a Pacific Sub game without it...*lol*

stabiz · 11-30-06, 09:55 PM

This thread was a very interesting read!

don1reed · 12-01-06, 06:43 PM

...another interesting thing about the "imperial" system for you manual TDC guru's...the RULE of 3 and/or the RULE of 6...

...its a straight 3 minutes measure (yards) instead of 3-1/4 as used in metric for determining speed.

-...-

as for as the Pacific...

Geo Coords (Lat & Long)

High-scoping (Modeled in orig SH)

PPI Radar (later in the war).

Sounds like a lot of nifty differences coming your way.

all the best,

TheSatyr · 12-02-06, 06:10 PM

Oh yeah! For those not that familiar with US sub tactics,one of the things they used to do before SJ Radar came out was to use the periscope while on the surface. They would extend the scope as far up as it went and had a crewman using the scope as an extra lookout.

Doubt they will model THAT in game though...but you never know.

_Seth_ · 12-02-06, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Oh yeah! For those not that familiar with US sub tactics,one of the things they used to do before SJ Radar came out was to use the periscope while on the surface. They would extend the scope as far up as it went and had a crewman using the scope as an extra lookout.

Doubt they will model THAT in game though...but you never know.

What the......

`?????? How did he manage to stay up there? did they strap him onto the scope, or...?

Sailor Steve · 12-02-06, 06:18 PM

No, no, no...he was in the control room using the scope. 'Twas what Don1Reed meant by "high-scoping".

Though they did have lookouts climb up into the support beams for the scopes.

_Seth_ · 12-02-06, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, no, no...he was in the control room using the scope. 'Twas what Don1Reed meant by "high-scoping".

Though they did have lookouts climb up into the support beams for the scopes.

Ok, i misunderstood....

I thought they made him stay strapped onto the scope as a punishment for beeing "Bernard"... :rotfl:
Thanx for the great info, Steve!

TheSatyr · 12-04-06, 09:32 PM

Nah,that's what they do to the guy who breaks the ice cream machine.

TheSatyr · 12-04-06, 09:36 PM

Ok,back OT. Since it is supposed to be a realistic PTO sub sim,it should ONLY be in feet,yards and nautical miles.

After all,we got metric in SH3 because that's what Germany used.

11-30-06, 12:10 PM	#18
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yep, ended fine. Neither one knew what had happened right away. The one on the surface was spotted and attacked by the Japanese, but escaped. The one forced deep heard noises in the distance, came to periscope depth and saw ships depth-charging somebody. After their respective patrols were over and the reports were compared they realized they must have hit each other. Until then it was just "collided with something". When I have access to my books again I can give the full account. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-30-06, 06:48 PM	#21
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Lets just hope SHIV has some missions in the bongo straits... __________________

11-30-06, 09:55 PM	#23
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	This thread was a very interesting read! __________________

12-01-06, 06:43 PM	#24
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	...another interesting thing about the "imperial" system for you manual TDC guru's...the RULE of 3 and/or the RULE of 6... ...its a straight 3 minutes measure (yards) instead of 3-1/4 as used in metric for determining speed. -...- as for as the Pacific... Geo Coords (Lat & Long) High-scoping (Modeled in orig SH) PPI Radar (later in the war). Sounds like a lot of nifty differences coming your way. all the best, __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

12-02-06, 06:18 PM	#27
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No, no, no...he was in the control room using the scope. 'Twas what Don1Reed meant by "high-scoping". Though they did have lookouts climb up into the support beams for the scopes. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-30-06, 02:33 PM	#20
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	And there was one incident where two subs were right at the boundary and one fired at the other thinking it was a Japanese sub. Fortunately they missed. I do think the patrol areas changed later in the war...but I think they just went from being numbered to being named. (I always did like the "Maru Morgue" name. Heh).

11-30-06, 09:16 PM	#22
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Bungo Suido? Can't have a Pacific Sub game without it...lol

12-02-06, 06:10 PM	#25
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Oh yeah! For those not that familiar with US sub tactics,one of the things they used to do before SJ Radar came out was to use the periscope while on the surface. They would extend the scope as far up as it went and had a crewman using the scope as an extra lookout. Doubt they will model THAT in game though...but you never know.

12-04-06, 09:32 PM	#29
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nah,that's what they do to the guy who breaks the ice cream machine.

12-04-06, 09:36 PM	#30
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok,back OT. Since it is supposed to be a realistic PTO sub sim,it should ONLY be in feet,yards and nautical miles. After all,we got metric in SH3 because that's what Germany used.