Waypoints and Kiel Canal

Hybris · 11-25-06, 01:12 AM

Honestly I hope they clean the canal up so one could plot a course and not worry about the hidden lighthouses and harbors in fact if they could make it just a straight shot with no turns and deep enough that you could dive to say 30 meters and avoid any traffic in the canal.

Just a idea for GWX:hmm:

Corsair · 11-25-06, 06:06 AM

Anyway was just for pointing it out, I never use the canal myself... Am not a fan of the type II tin can and start my careers in Wilhelmshaven by 2nd flotilla with a VIIb.

Corsair · 11-25-06, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hybris

Honestly I hope they clean the canal up so one could plot a course and not worry about the hidden lighthouses and harbors in fact if they could make it just a straight shot with no turns and deep enough that you could dive to say 30 meters and avoid any traffic in the canal.

Just a idea for GWX:hmm:

Guess it wouldn't look like a canal anymore... OMG 30m deep in a canal ?

How about a teleport button to warp you out of Kiel in the grid of your choice ?

bigboywooly · 11-25-06, 12:38 PM

There is more than enough room to pass ships in the Kanal
The trouble is the AI avoidance routines dont let you just pass close by to another moving unit
The AI unit will always try to avoid you and ends up beaching itself

The Kanal ingame is already wider than the original

P_Funk · 11-25-06, 06:45 PM

Its big enough for him!

Sailor Steve · 11-26-06, 04:09 PM

Barely.

bigboywooly · 11-26-06, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Its big enough for him!

Yes most of the German heavy surface units used the canal at one stage or another
I did try adding the historical sailings through but as I explained above the AI collision routines kick in if you come across one and they back up into the banks

Doesnt look too good to see the pride of the Kreigsmarine reversing out of the way of your humble uboat instead of just flattening you:rotfl:

Hybris · 11-26-06, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

There is more than enough room to pass ships in the Kanal
The trouble is the AI avoidance routines dont let you just pass close by to another moving unit
The AI unit will always try to avoid you and ends up beaching itself

The Kanal ingame is already wider than the original

That maybe the case but there is still the fact that the canal is so full of ports and hidden things that its impractical to use because you spend at times 2 days in RL or at least several boring hours tring to dig your way through it to save a bit of gas and possibly some in game time.

bigboywooly · 11-27-06, 04:40 AM

:hmm: takes me aout 10 - 15 mins to navigate the canal
If you use SH3commander you can up " When near land " figure in time compression
Or just alter the " Land proximity " setting in main.cfg

I have mine on 256 and breeze through the canal

If you use NYGM it has an auto plot feature so you dont even need to add waypoints
GWX will also have this feature

JScones · 11-27-06, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hybris

That maybe the case but there is still the fact that the canal is so full of ports and hidden things that its impractical to use because you spend at times 2 days in RL or at least several boring hours tring to dig your way through it to save a bit of gas and possibly some in game time.

This reminds me of something I posted a few months ago...

Quote:

Having never gone through the Kiel Canal, I thought I would be in a perfect position to test your statement Jmack [too bad tc doenst work verywell on the kiel canal], so for the first time ever I just left Kiel bound for the Canal.

I tested using GWX, which as we know has the bridge included.

Well, after manually plotting a course through the Canal, I simply set TC to 256 (at times 512), took to the Nav screen and cruised on through. I found that to sail through was prolly quicker than it took to plot the blasted route I was to follow!

I think this was an extreme test - I certainly wouldn't sail blindly through the Canal at high TC if I was being serious, but for someone who had never navigated the Canal before, I had no probs with it or TC.

In practice I'd prolly use the higher 256 and 512 TC on some parts, but a more cautious 8 or 16 on others.

IIRC it took 20 mins real time including plotting. If I'd used the autoplot feature, it would have taken me no more than 10 minutes total.

Jan Kyster · 11-27-06, 02:27 PM

23 dec. 1939.
Back home from patrol 4. Nothing happened, but still a thrilling experience...

Now to finish this waypoint thing. The last waypoint is placed just east of Helgoland, like this

The "Helgoland Mark" is for testing purpose only... it doesn't matter where you save.

Save/exit SH3 and the saved [savedname].map file has waypoints like this:

[Waypoint]
PointsNb=2
Pt0=930702.80,6485124.90,-3.64
Pt1=970963.00,6484627.50,0.00

Keep the saved Pt0 waypoint (ships position) and replace with this list:

; notice updated PointsNb...
[Waypoint]
PointsNb=68
; insert your saved waypoint Pt0 here:

Pt1=955550.38,6484650.00,0.00
Pt2=997202.75,6483137.50,0.00
Pt3=1032102.75,6477737.50,0.00
Pt4=1047406.75,6473625.00,0.00
Pt5=1062006.75,6464825.00,0.00
Pt6=1077006.75,6463725.50,0.00
Pt7=1090157.75,6464896.00,0.00
Pt8=1095517.75,6465416.00,0.00
Pt9=1098046.75,6468065.50,0.00
Pt10=1101807.13,6470136.50,0.00
Pt11=1104727.13,6472056.50,0.00
Pt12=1110946.63,6476383.50,0.00
Pt13=1115086.63,6479903.50,0.00
Pt14=1117206.63,6484674.00,0.00
Pt15=1118546.63,6488554.00,0.00
Pt16=1119246.63,6489934.00,0.00
Pt17=1120846.63,6492374.00,0.00
Pt18=1122164.00,6494920.00,0.00
Pt19=1122184.00,6497620.00,0.00
Pt20=1124724.00,6500300.00,0.00
Pt21=1127727.00,6501375.00,0.00
Pt22=1132747.00,6502735.00,0.00
Pt23=1137707.00,6503995.00,0.00
Pt24=1142227.00,6504835.00,0.00
Pt25=1144877.50,6505268.00,0.00
Pt26=1147237.50,6505708.00,0.00
Pt27=1149457.50,6506548.00,0.00
Pt28=1151817.50,6507728.00,0.00
Pt29=1153149.75,6508653.00,0.00
Pt30=1155309.75,6510213.00,0.00
Pt31=1155909.75,6511093.00,0.00
Pt32=1156589.75,6512093.00,0.00
Pt33=1156989.75,6512793.00,0.00
Pt34=1158649.75,6515313.00,0.00
Pt35=1159169.75,6516273.00,0.00
Pt36=1159829.75,6516913.00,0.00
Pt37=1160452.50,6517171.00,0.00
Pt38=1161792.50,6517751.00,0.00
Pt39=1166632.50,6518551.00,0.00
Pt40=1167632.50,6519091.00,0.00
Pt41=1169472.50,6522271.00,0.00
Pt42=1170484.88,6522840.00,0.00
Pt43=1172104.88,6523600.00,0.00
Pt44=1175484.88,6525200.00,0.00
Pt45=1178824.88,6526660.00,0.00
Pt46=1181664.88,6526680.00,0.00
Pt47=1182564.88,6526520.00,0.00
Pt48=1183990.88,6526480.50,0.00
Pt49=1185950.88,6526220.50,0.00
Pt50=1189950.88,6524480.50,0.00
Pt51=1191731.09,6523564.43,0.00
Pt52=1193504.88,6522787.50,0.00
Pt53=1193618.50,6522703.50,0.00
Pt54=1194126.88,6522740.00,0.00
Pt55=1198774.38,6522750.00,0.00
Pt56=1199755.88,6522910.00,0.00
Pt57=1203499.75,6524610.00,0.00
Pt58=1208697.88,6524630.00,0.00
Pt59=1211078.13,6525390.00,0.00
Pt60=1213138.13,6525400.00,0.00
Pt61=1216613.25,6524780.00,0.00
Pt62=1219813.25,6524250.00,0.00
Pt63=1220323.25,6523590.00,0.00
Pt64=1219838.25,6522393.50,0.00
Pt65=1219443.25,6521968.50,0.00
Pt66=1219108.25,6521852.50,0.00
Pt67=1218752.25,6521884.50,0.00

Save the map-file and after loading SH3, it should now look like this:

and you will have points all the way into Kiel harbour with nose pointed at home quay

The reason for me using time on this, is I know I'll have Kiel as homebase for a long time still. Probably will use Wilhemshaven some times as a refuel station, but the next couple of year Kiel it is...

Btw. thanks for the great pictures! Looking forward to meet "Big Sister" in the Canal

Re. GWX, a quick calculation shows that - with my current speed - I'm ready for it in august 2008...

11-25-06, 01:12 AM	#1
Hybris Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Periscope Depth... Posts: 237 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Honestly I hope they clean the canal up so one could plot a course and not worry about the hidden lighthouses and harbors in fact if they could make it just a straight shot with no turns and deep enough that you could dive to say 30 meters and avoid any traffic in the canal. Just a idea for GWX:hmm: __________________ "His masters voice!" "FASTER! FAAAASSSTTER!" "All submariners have one universal wish regardless of nation, cause, or creed. That wish is that the boat goes up and stay up one more time then it goes down." ~Hybris 8/22/07

11-25-06, 06:06 AM	#2
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Anyway was just for pointing it out, I never use the canal myself... Am not a fan of the type II tin can and start my careers in Wilhelmshaven by 2nd flotilla with a VIIb. __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

11-25-06, 12:38 PM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	There is more than enough room to pass ships in the Kanal The trouble is the AI avoidance routines dont let you just pass close by to another moving unit The AI unit will always try to avoid you and ends up beaching itself The Kanal ingame is already wider than the original __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

11-25-06, 06:45 PM	#5
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Its big enough for him! __________________

11-26-06, 04:09 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Barely. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-27-06, 04:40 AM	#9
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	:hmm: takes me aout 10 - 15 mins to navigate the canal If you use SH3commander you can up " When near land " figure in time compression Or just alter the " Land proximity " setting in main.cfg I have mine on 256 and breeze through the canal If you use NYGM it has an auto plot feature so you dont even need to add waypoints GWX will also have this feature __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

11-27-06, 02:27 PM	#11
Jan Kyster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,151 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	23 dec. 1939. Back home from patrol 4. Nothing happened, but still a thrilling experience... Now to finish this waypoint thing. The last waypoint is placed just east of Helgoland, like this The "Helgoland Mark" is for testing purpose only... it doesn't matter where you save. Save/exit SH3 and the saved [savedname].map file has waypoints like this: [Waypoint] PointsNb=2 Pt0=930702.80,6485124.90,-3.64 Pt1=970963.00,6484627.50,0.00 Keep the saved Pt0 waypoint (ships position) and replace with this list: ; notice updated PointsNb... [Waypoint] PointsNb=68 ; insert your saved waypoint Pt0 here: Pt1=955550.38,6484650.00,0.00 Pt2=997202.75,6483137.50,0.00 Pt3=1032102.75,6477737.50,0.00 Pt4=1047406.75,6473625.00,0.00 Pt5=1062006.75,6464825.00,0.00 Pt6=1077006.75,6463725.50,0.00 Pt7=1090157.75,6464896.00,0.00 Pt8=1095517.75,6465416.00,0.00 Pt9=1098046.75,6468065.50,0.00 Pt10=1101807.13,6470136.50,0.00 Pt11=1104727.13,6472056.50,0.00 Pt12=1110946.63,6476383.50,0.00 Pt13=1115086.63,6479903.50,0.00 Pt14=1117206.63,6484674.00,0.00 Pt15=1118546.63,6488554.00,0.00 Pt16=1119246.63,6489934.00,0.00 Pt17=1120846.63,6492374.00,0.00 Pt18=1122164.00,6494920.00,0.00 Pt19=1122184.00,6497620.00,0.00 Pt20=1124724.00,6500300.00,0.00 Pt21=1127727.00,6501375.00,0.00 Pt22=1132747.00,6502735.00,0.00 Pt23=1137707.00,6503995.00,0.00 Pt24=1142227.00,6504835.00,0.00 Pt25=1144877.50,6505268.00,0.00 Pt26=1147237.50,6505708.00,0.00 Pt27=1149457.50,6506548.00,0.00 Pt28=1151817.50,6507728.00,0.00 Pt29=1153149.75,6508653.00,0.00 Pt30=1155309.75,6510213.00,0.00 Pt31=1155909.75,6511093.00,0.00 Pt32=1156589.75,6512093.00,0.00 Pt33=1156989.75,6512793.00,0.00 Pt34=1158649.75,6515313.00,0.00 Pt35=1159169.75,6516273.00,0.00 Pt36=1159829.75,6516913.00,0.00 Pt37=1160452.50,6517171.00,0.00 Pt38=1161792.50,6517751.00,0.00 Pt39=1166632.50,6518551.00,0.00 Pt40=1167632.50,6519091.00,0.00 Pt41=1169472.50,6522271.00,0.00 Pt42=1170484.88,6522840.00,0.00 Pt43=1172104.88,6523600.00,0.00 Pt44=1175484.88,6525200.00,0.00 Pt45=1178824.88,6526660.00,0.00 Pt46=1181664.88,6526680.00,0.00 Pt47=1182564.88,6526520.00,0.00 Pt48=1183990.88,6526480.50,0.00 Pt49=1185950.88,6526220.50,0.00 Pt50=1189950.88,6524480.50,0.00 Pt51=1191731.09,6523564.43,0.00 Pt52=1193504.88,6522787.50,0.00 Pt53=1193618.50,6522703.50,0.00 Pt54=1194126.88,6522740.00,0.00 Pt55=1198774.38,6522750.00,0.00 Pt56=1199755.88,6522910.00,0.00 Pt57=1203499.75,6524610.00,0.00 Pt58=1208697.88,6524630.00,0.00 Pt59=1211078.13,6525390.00,0.00 Pt60=1213138.13,6525400.00,0.00 Pt61=1216613.25,6524780.00,0.00 Pt62=1219813.25,6524250.00,0.00 Pt63=1220323.25,6523590.00,0.00 Pt64=1219838.25,6522393.50,0.00 Pt65=1219443.25,6521968.50,0.00 Pt66=1219108.25,6521852.50,0.00 Pt67=1218752.25,6521884.50,0.00 Save the map-file and after loading SH3, it should now look like this: and you will have points all the way into Kiel harbour with nose pointed at home quay The reason for me using time on this, is I know I'll have Kiel as homebase for a long time still. Probably will use Wilhemshaven some times as a refuel station, but the next couple of year Kiel it is... Btw. thanks for the great pictures! Looking forward to meet "Big Sister" in the Canal Re. GWX, a quick calculation shows that - with my current speed - I'm ready for it in august 2008...