Sinking Times - Page 2

Pants · 11-13-06, 09:08 PM

GW 1.1 uses NYGM's damage model, GWX however uses a whole NEW damage model, re-written from scratch by Von ( damn fine job to ) sinkings are easier ( kind of

)..but i'm not going to say too much as the beta testing phase is still on going.

TarJak · 11-13-06, 09:19 PM

Not sure if you are aware the best place to hit almost all warships is in their ammo magazines. Although I've also had some success with hitting light cruisers right between the funnels in their engine rooms.

Most Merchies usually go down with one to their fuel bunker.

I usually use impact detonators set for between 3 and 7m depending on the targets.

TarJak · 11-13-06, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wijbrandus

Do these apply with the TGW mod?

Also, does TGW use the same, or similar, sinking rules that NYGM uses? I've done some reading and think I understand what's happening, if it's similar.

Maybe I'll just have to unlock the deck gun and see about putting a few rounds at the waterline. I wonder how many it will take in the same spot to make a new "flood zone"?

At least they don't seem to be radioing for help. Yet. Oh happy times, do not fail me...

They sure do! I usually get one or two eel sinkings by aiming for these with impact detonators set to run at between 3 and 7m dependning on the target.

occaisionally I use the deck gun on lone merchants that are just plain stubborn or those that I don't have the time to get a good shot off with the torps.

sergbuto · 11-14-06, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cue-Ball909

If you want realism you definitely want to use TWG or NYGM. The sinking times seem to be very realistic with both. If you just want ships to explode and sink within two minutes stick with the vanilla box-stock game, but don't try to fool yourself into thinking it's realistic..

He does not have to fool himself because the vanilla version of the damage model is indeed overall more realistic than "flooding" damage model of NYGM and current version of GW (at least in my opinion) because the stock version does not at least contain some very unrealistic things, such as useless working magnetic torpedo (keel damage zone was removed from merchants), no damage with the second torpedo hit to the same compartment, two torpedoes to kill a DD, shelling damage only below waterline, etc. There was some more but do not remember at the moment. And fast sinking times happened to be quite often in reality.

MRV · 11-14-06, 09:21 AM

@ TarJak

This is exactly what I missed, an increased probability of blowing up ships when hitting in the right place. When not, they may sink through flooding or not, its fine for me. But I saved and loaded in front of the King George V a few times, aiming and shooting at different places (for experiment). I never managed to blow the magazine up, like on the first try with 4 torpedoes fired right INTO the magazine (and ordering flank speed to turn my boat into a ramrod afterwards, with no effect *lol*)

About merchants: Tankers are modelled correctly I think, taking one hit and blowing up, or taking 2 or 3 if empty, because those things are about 10000 tons in displacement, this is OK.

What bugs me are the small/coastal merchants, like I said I everytime need 2 eels for them, no exception when I used that DM so far.

stabiz · 11-14-06, 09:27 AM

Trust me, GWX will deliver in this area too.

kylania · 11-14-06, 09:31 AM

I sunk a Tribal Destroyer last nite with a single eel from 4000m as it was clipping by at 21kts.

MRV · 11-14-06, 09:39 AM

DD's also work well, a single shot CAN finish them but doesn't have to.....and I love seeing them break apart

melnibonian · 11-14-06, 09:50 AM

Wait until GWX commes out and you will see how wonderful is to sink ships. The damage model is BRILLIANT.

On your problem though I would suggest to aim at critical areas of the ships, try to have an AOB of about 90deg and a small gyro angle. Have a look at this thread it is all you need http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...hip_Weak_Spots

AS · 11-14-06, 10:00 AM

Since this seems to be the thread for the frustrated one, I´d like to add my two cents: Needed 8 torps to sink a 4000tons merchant. MAYBE the merchant would have sunk after 5 or 6, but you don´t always have the time to wait 48 hours just to confirm the sinking. Absolutely unrealistic anyway, as such a medium sized merchant would be blown out of the water after one (or 2) hits in reality. As much as i like the idea of realistic sinking times in GW, I´m convinced they overdo by far!

Another strange GW-incidence happened when I aft-torped a destroyer that was chasing me. I hit him in the bow (a lucky shot!), guess what happened? The destroyer slowed down and then was stopped (ENGINE FAILURE WHEN HIT IN THE BOW???) like a lame duck, waiting for me to finish her off. In real life, destroyers that were hit in the bow-area went down like a submarine, because of their high speed they sort of "swallowed" all the incoming water and usually sank within minutes!

Please don´t get me wrong here: I love and appreciate the modders´ work and don´t want to miss it, but there are some things that really need to be tweaked. Remember Erich Topp´s comment on SH? "In real life it was much easier to sink ships" :rotfl:

melnibonian · 11-14-06, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AS

Please don´t get me wrong here: I love and appreciate the modders´ work and don´t want to miss it, but there are some things that really need to be tweaked. Remember Erich Topp´s comment on SH? "In real life it was much easier to sink ships" :rotfl:

I know what you mean. The damage model of GW is very good when it's working and really bad when things start going wrong (like the small merchants etc). In GWX though things seem to be MUCH better, so be patient and you will not be dissapointed

stabiz · 11-14-06, 10:09 AM

The damage model in GWX is spot on, IMO.

MRV · 11-14-06, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AS

Please don´t get me wrong here: I love and appreciate the modders´ work and don´t want to miss it, but there are some things that really need to be tweaked. Remember Erich Topp´s comment on SH? "In real life it was much easier to sink ships" :rotfl:

Well, probably this is the compensation for the stupid Escort's AI, which is Ubi's fault and not the Communitys.
I think in reality merchants have gone down easier, but surviving encounters with escorts was harder.

@ GW Dev Team

please don't release that Mod if its true what you say.....otherwise I can abort my studying ;-)

HunterICX · 11-14-06, 11:28 AM

@MRV:

http://media.putfile.com/SH3-83

The reason to have stock SH3 Damage model for Subs and Battleships
(at the end you know what I talk about) Enjoy

Kpt. Lehmann · 11-14-06, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MRV

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Originally Posted by AS

Please don´t get me wrong here: I love and appreciate the modders´ work and don´t want to miss it, but there are some things that really need to be tweaked. Remember Erich Topp´s comment on SH? "In real life it was much easier to sink ships" :rotfl:

Well, probably this is the compensation for the stupid Escort's AI, which is Ubi's fault and not the Communitys.
I think in reality merchants have gone down easier, but surviving encounters with escorts was harder.

@ GW Dev Team

please don't release that Mod if its true what you say.....otherwise I can abort my studying ;-)

The beta test reports are confirming our own tests and past statements more and more. In GWX we've fixed all that you are concerned about... and if I'm not mistaken... It was Jurgen Oesten who said that. LOL

11-13-06, 09:08 PM	#16
Pants Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere in the Atlantic Posts: 849 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	GW 1.1 uses NYGM's damage model, GWX however uses a whole NEW damage model, re-written from scratch by Von ( damn fine job to ) sinkings are easier ( kind of )..but i'm not going to say too much as the beta testing phase is still on going. __________________ Ex GWX Dev Team member and proud GWX user

11-14-06, 09:27 AM	#21
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Trust me, GWX will deliver in this area too. __________________

11-14-06, 09:31 AM	#22
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	I sunk a Tribal Destroyer last nite with a single eel from 4000m as it was clipping by at 21kts. __________________

11-14-06, 09:50 AM	#24
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Wait until GWX commes out and you will see how wonderful is to sink ships. The damage model is BRILLIANT. On your problem though I would suggest to aim at critical areas of the ships, try to have an AOB of about 90deg and a small gyro angle. Have a look at this thread it is all you need http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...hip_Weak_Spots __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

11-14-06, 10:00 AM	#25
AS 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Since this seems to be the thread for the frustrated one, I´d like to add my two cents: Needed 8 torps to sink a 4000tons merchant. MAYBE the merchant would have sunk after 5 or 6, but you don´t always have the time to wait 48 hours just to confirm the sinking. Absolutely unrealistic anyway, as such a medium sized merchant would be blown out of the water after one (or 2) hits in reality. As much as i like the idea of realistic sinking times in GW, I´m convinced they overdo by far! Another strange GW-incidence happened when I aft-torped a destroyer that was chasing me. I hit him in the bow (a lucky shot!), guess what happened? The destroyer slowed down and then was stopped (ENGINE FAILURE WHEN HIT IN THE BOW???) like a lame duck, waiting for me to finish her off. In real life, destroyers that were hit in the bow-area went down like a submarine, because of their high speed they sort of "swallowed" all the incoming water and usually sank within minutes! Please don´t get me wrong here: I love and appreciate the modders´ work and don´t want to miss it, but there are some things that really need to be tweaked. Remember Erich Topp´s comment on SH? "In real life it was much easier to sink ships" :rotfl: __________________ Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. (Oscar Wilde)

11-13-06, 09:19 PM	#17
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Not sure if you are aware the best place to hit almost all warships is in their ammo magazines. Although I've also had some success with hitting light cruisers right between the funnels in their engine rooms. Most Merchies usually go down with one to their fuel bunker. I usually use impact detonators set for between 3 and 7m depending on the targets.

11-14-06, 09:21 AM	#20
MRV Frogman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 296 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	@ TarJak This is exactly what I missed, an increased probability of blowing up ships when hitting in the right place. When not, they may sink through flooding or not, its fine for me. But I saved and loaded in front of the King George V a few times, aiming and shooting at different places (for experiment). I never managed to blow the magazine up, like on the first try with 4 torpedoes fired right INTO the magazine (and ordering flank speed to turn my boat into a ramrod afterwards, with no effect lol) About merchants: Tankers are modelled correctly I think, taking one hit and blowing up, or taking 2 or 3 if empty, because those things are about 10000 tons in displacement, this is OK. What bugs me are the small/coastal merchants, like I said I everytime need 2 eels for them, no exception when I used that DM so far.

11-14-06, 09:39 AM	#23
MRV Frogman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 296 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	DD's also work well, a single shot CAN finish them but doesn't have to.....and I love seeing them break apart

11-14-06, 10:09 AM	#27
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	The damage model in GWX is spot on, IMO. __________________

11-14-06, 11:28 AM	#29
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	@MRV: http://media.putfile.com/SH3-83 The reason to have stock SH3 Damage model for Subs and Battleships (at the end you know what I talk about) Enjoy __________________