Germany - Poverty - Underclass

The irony of it all is almost too much.


Take Bill Gates for example. Here is a man who has billions of dollars. He's one of the richest men in the world (right now). However, he is working against himself in a way. With all the new technology his company is creating, people are losing their jobs over. When people lose their jobs, they have no money to buy his product. If they don't buy his product, then his billions will slowly disappear as well as his company. If his products led to the extinction of all jobs in the world, there would be no value in any money. Then his billions would be worthless.

This is most likely not going to happen in any of our lifetimes, but we are beginning to see the early stages of it and we will always be looked at as the generation(s) that led to the demise of mankind. I'd estimate this could all happen by the year 3000 A.D. though. Perhaps even earlier and considering mankind does not start a nuclear war and that people are still inventing more and more powerful computers and machines with more sophisticated A.I..

[TteFAboB]

Skybirdo-san,

Forget about any "US model", we'll keep it to common sense here, the "human model".

Business Management schools, who's currently occupying them? I don't know but if I had to bet I'd say there are probably a few or even many BA professors in Germany preaching about the wonders of the Chinese model, the perfection of Chinese factories and glorifying the great businessmen who are making success in China. It's like Jean-Paul Sartre, but on reverse! This happens elsewhere, I doubt Germany is an exception. These schools need to be "liberated" or re-occupied by at least ONE good professor so that the students can find at least one good example to follow, a "hero" (in the old virtuous sense of the word), otherwise the graduates who are going to sit on directors board in the future, hold voting shares or sit in the CEO chair start believing that the system doesn't matter, they should only care about doing business, making money. Of course the system matters! But corner one of these idiots against the wall, confront him with moral dilemmas, try to squeeze some philosophy out of him. You won't get anything, they're empty shells (God bless the exceptions) who were trained by repetition. That's exactly the case with George Soros. Far from being a genius of evil, he's just a simple man with alot of money pretending to be an intellectual who is manipulated by intellectuals that want to live off his money. Whatever talent he has in absorbing economical information to do his financial stunts he lacks completely in the political, strategic, historical and cultural realms where he is outdated, limited and outright wrong. He believes he is the saviour of the world but he is only kept in such illusion because of the hundreds of clowns that follow him to applaud his pathetic speeches (cutting the rest of my tirade about him for the sake of brevity).

We breed these immoral or amoral nut-jobs in these places who don't understand that handing over our industrial base to murderous dictatorships who practice slave labour is a very bad idea, especially in the long run when they stop being consumers and turn into exporters offering us artificially cheap crap.

Do you know the story of the Pew Charitable Trust? It's very symbolic. It went from being a private charity fund from an American millionaire who felt the need to retribute and help the less fortune to an organization taken over by its staff and put to serve a network of other organizations "advocating for change".

It is not difficult to think of the consequences of the richest abandoning their principles and spontaneous charity dissapearing to give way to vote-buying.

If America ever ignored the social shadowside is has given birth to it does so today. When the poor are no longer of anybody's concern but something to be left for the faceless state to deal with or by these mega-networks. "N"GO's can't replace the job of the state and the state can't create well-paid jobs for the poor.

What we can criticize at the bottom, the people who abuse social security for example, can also be criticized at the top. And if the example comes from the top, a good start would be getting some morality up there, principles, and the value for the system that allowed them to be where they are.

[Yahoshua]

I agree.....Soros is a crook in the extreme. Exploiting banking laws to drain an entire economy of it's vigor for personal gain is just plain wrong.

[Bum]

Jobs. Who's responsibility is it to make jobs?

Are there only select people who can make jobs for everyone?

If not, what stops anyone from "making a job" for someone else?

If not everyone wants to be responsible and make jobs for others, then of course only select people make jobs. Should they not get to decide on the wages (within legal limits)?

If a person makes a business and makes jobs for people who want jobs but do not want to work very hard, what is the use?

Hey, I have a factory making sofas. You want a job? Here's how much I pay and this is what you must do. Don't like it? Find a better job.

Cannot find a better job? What's the matter, no special skills or knowledge? Well, why would some one want to pay you for a job?

Basic economics.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Aha. I recommend we also scratch all threats that have touched Denmark, England, France, australia, N-korea, Irak, Japan and China as well. It is not our business how local residents run their according countries.

That's pretty much the way i see it when you're talking about domestic matters. Do you really want the US to start telling you Germans how to run your country again? One would think you'd have had enough of that during the occupation.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by August

Oh....err, well, fix it then and stop bugging the rest of us about it. It's really none of our business how Germans run Germany...

That was an unnecessary and rude comment. People can basically discuss whatever they want on Subsim.com, if you don´t like a topic simply ignore it.

[August]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

That was an unnecessary and rude comment. People can basically discuss whatever they want on Subsim.com, if you don´t like a topic simply ignore it.

Obviously you didn't get the point of the message Gizzmoe. Maybe if i had put a smiley at the end of it...

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by August

Obviously you didn't get the point of the message Gizzmoe.

Well, what was the point?

[August]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

Well, what was the point?

See message number 35 and the post it was replying to for a more complete understanding.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by August

See message number 35 and the post it was replying to for a more complete understanding.

I still don´t get your thought pattern.

"Do you really want the US to start telling you Germans how to run your country again?" could make me think that you see Subsim as an American forum and that "our" in "It's really none of our business how Germans run Germany" didn´t mean "the forum", but "America". I hope that isn´t the case, it would mean that you totally misunderstand the nature of Subsim.

[August]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

I still don´t get your thought pattern.

"Do you really want the US to start telling you Germans how to run your country again?" could make me think that you see Subsim as an American forum and that "our" in "It's really none of our business how Germans run Germany" didn´t mean "the forum", but "America". I hope that isn´t the case, it would mean that you totally misunderstand the nature of Subsim.

Sigh...

Whatever Gizzmoe, see it how you wish to.

[Gizzmoe]

Wow, is it really so hard to write two or three sentences to explain what you meant?

[CB..]

Originally Posted by Coda

This is my biggest fear. However, I don't think it will be a machine. I think it will be a biological or checmical weapon, or an unintentional weapon.

We experiment with so many things we don't understand. It won't take much to mutate a virus or bacteria that suddenly becomes deadly and spreads faster than we can eradicate it.

It would be ironic if the only animals that survive the bird flu are the birds.

my moneys on a virus that has lain dormant in the ice caps- effectively in suspended animation- that becomes active again as the ice cap melts and releases it back into the atmosphere....how bowt that for natures self regulating thermometer :hmm:
perhaps and im only joking here this is precisely what bird flu is?? birds being descended from dinosaurs having developed an immunity from the desease that wiped out their fore bears...after all if birds are decended from dinosaurs then not all the dinosaurs can have possibly been wiped out ..load of nonsense of course but who realy knows...