No S-Class?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Rab09

V-boats were 342ft long and 2,000tons (V1-V3) which were renamed Barracuda, Bass and Bonita. The next three were V4-V6 (at 371'-381' long and 2,700tons), renamed Argonaut, Narwhal, Nautilus, also Dolphin (V-7) (Dolpin was also around 1,100tons and M.A.N. powered), Cachalot (V-8) and Cuttlefish (V-9) (Cachalot and Cuttlefish were 1,100ton boats powered by M.A.N. diesels). At Pearl Harbor in the fall of 1941 were six V-boats; Argonaut, Nautilus, Narwhal, Dolphin, Cachalot and Cuttlefish. These boats also carried 2 x 5" deck guns. Slow, hard to manage. V-1, V-2, V-3 built in 1925-1926. V4, V-5 and V-6 were commissioned in the late 1920s.

Hope that helps, Salute Sir

It helps a lot, thanks. If I could get to my books I would have looked it up. I'm quite familiar with all of those boats, but I had never heard them referred to as 'V-boats' before. Now I have.

In fact I love the three 'biggies' and would love to see them in the game. In SHI they were hard to get but with Hawk's Silent Hunter Utilities you could assign yourself to one.

[Capt. D]

Looks like the S-Boat has a good following! Along with it the T's (Tambor), Salmon and Permit class boats also played an important role. The BIG V's really do not need to be part of the sim. Other than the Nautlis and Narwhal - who were almost a class unto themselves and were used mostly for special ops e.g. commando raids - the S-Boat at the very begining of the war and then the Permit, Salmon, and Tambor class really held the line until the Gatos appeared. The Balaos were the "thick skined" boats and along with the Gatos probably had the most subs in serivce of all other classes at the end of the war.

As the Balao had very little as far as differances in appearance from the Gato (and depending on which ship yard built the sub there were differences there also - lumbar holes as an examble - there should not be that much to do to ensure both are in the sim as external views would be the same based on time and refits and internal views - if only a few will be available control room, conning tower, radio room????? - should not be that different at all.

SH - if I remember correctly - covered these classes mentioned and SH4 should also.

Happy Hunting

[ricnunes]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to insure that this thread (and the S-Class request to be included in SH4) reaches the SH4 devs? Is there some way to achive this?

What's your oppinion about this?

[cmdrk]

A neat shot of the S and V boats.

[Safe-Keeper]

The devs read the boards, so no worries.

[Torgen]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Ditto My favorite sub stories are the S-38 in Lingayen Gulf, Dec 22, 1941 and the S-44 sinking the Kako.

In my PTO sub games, I always start in Manila and try to get to the Philippine landing beaches before the Japs can! I did it once in Silent Service, and got trapped in the bay! They were kinda pissed that I hit two transports.

That's probably my biggest wish- a dynamic campaign where, if we get in the right place at the right time, we score the jackpot! Like, maybe I get my S boat to Lingayen Gulf before the invasion fleet, or catch Shokaku on her return from striking Java. I loved leafing through my two volume set of "Silent Victory" to figure out where the nearest "big catch" was in my area on my patrol date.

[Chef]

DD: Silent Hunter IV aims to give an accurate representation of the US submarine campaign against Japan. Taking both this, and our own development schedule, into consideration, we chose the most representative US fleet boat classes: P-class, Tambor, Salmon, and Gato. Of course, each of them will come with several development variations."

Might the underlined mean Gato, Balao and Tench?

[ricnunes]

The "underline" part makes me somehow less worried regarding the Balao or even the Tench.
But what worries me the most is the absence of the S-Class sub, I really hope the devs change their minds and put the S-Class in SH4. The S-Class is as important to the Pacific as it was the German TypeII in the Atlantic and the TypeII was included in SHIII so there's absolutely no reason why the S-Class shoudn't be included in SH4.

Sorry, if I'm insisting too much regarding the S-Class but I do this because I think that the presence of the S-Class in SH4 is VITAL!

[MadMike]

Well, in the meantime I've created a few "training missions" out of Corregidor using a Type VIIB. Limiting your depth to 82m (268 ft) against the DD's is nerve wracking.
The deepest I've read an S-boat going in combat was 267 feet (S-37)-

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/submar/ss142.txt

Yeah, would be nice to see an S-boat in SHIV!

Yours, Mike

[_Seth_]

What would SHIII look like if they excluded the VIIC...?

I just LOVE it when its historically correct!

[ricnunes]

Originally Posted by MadMike

Well, in the meantime I've created a few "training missions" out of Corregidor using a Type VIIB. Limiting your depth to 82m (268 ft) against the DD's is nerve wracking.
The deepest I've read an S-boat going in combat was 267 feet (S-37)-

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/submar/ss142.txt

Yeah, would be nice to see an S-boat in SHIV!

Yours, Mike

Yeap, the S-Class had a limited service depth but nevertheless it had an impressive submerged speed (for that time) of 11 Knots!

[MadMike]

If the DevTeam ever get's the notion to model the S-boat, here's some interior pictures-










From-

http://thesaltysailor.com/s-boats/graphics.htm

More interior shots can be found here, near bottom of page-

http://www.rddesigns.com/subs/s-boats4.html


Yours, Mike

[Sailor Steve]

Good stuff, Mister MadMike! Thanks for posting those.

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by MadMike

If the DevTeam ever get's the notion to model the S-boat, here's some interior pictures-










From-

http://thesaltysailor.com/s-boats/graphics.htm

More interior shots can be found here, near bottom of page-

http://www.rddesigns.com/subs/s-boats4.html


Yours, Mike

Looking at these pics.......somehow...makes me feel....like im............home...?

THEY MUST INCLUDE THE S-CLASS!

[Chef]

Great S-boat pics