Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Skybird]

One Minsk agreement is enough, I would say.


[DPA] The US government has asked Germany and other European allies to report possible contributions to security guarantees for Ukraine. According to information from the German Press Agency, the countries are to state, among other things, how many soldiers they could send to Ukraine for a peacekeeping force or training programs after the end of the Russian war of aggression. Weapon systems and the question of what is expected of the USA will also be discussed.
The background to the US request is obviously US President Donald Trump's plan to negotiate a solution to end the Russian war against Ukraine at a meeting with Kremlin chief Vladimir Putin. He expects that the Europeans will take responsibility for ensuring that Russia does not attack Ukraine again after a possible agreement.

According to diplomats, the question of what the Europeans can contribute to a possible peace deal will also be discussed at a meeting between Chancellor Olaf Scholz and other European heads of state and government in Paris this Monday. They were surprised last week by Trump's push for talks with Putin and now fear that the Ukrainians could be forced to make concessions that they actually do not want to make. This includes, among other things, temporarily renouncing NATO membership. The USA has also already declared that it does not want to send troops to Ukraine itself.

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference that he knew that the questionnaire existed. He had not seen it himself, but he could fully understand that it would help to focus the talks.

[Skybird]

UK military too 'run down' to lead Ukraine peace mission - ex-UK-Army chief.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czep44jn9jyo

Who then? Germany? Dont make me laugh. France? Too run down, too. Poland?

And anyway, who said that Putin would even accept NATO troops in Ukraine...?

I have an idea - Chinese troops! China to the European rescue!

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Dargo

I hope that is not propaganda Dargo. If not sounds great!!

[Skybird]

In Germany it still gets bitterly debated about whether or not the Bundeswehr needs armed drones. Or anti-drone defenses. Recent drone spottings over Bundeswehr bases where Ukrainian specilaists get traioned, remained uncoutnered - the Bundeswehr is not allowed to shoot down such foreign drones - even inside in critical, security snsitive areas. Possibly a legal alibi- because for the most the Bundeswehr lacks the equipment to do so.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Is Europe needed at the table ? It take two to dance and not three.

Markus

Who are the two dancers here?

Originally Posted by Skybird

In Germany it still gets bitterly debated about whether or not the Bundeswehr needs armed drones. Or anti-drone defenses. Recent drone spottings over Bundeswehr bases where Ukrainian specilaists get traioned, remained uncoutnered - the Bundeswehr is not allowed to shoot down such foreign drones - even inside in critical, security snsitive areas. Possibly a legal alibi- because for the most the Bundeswehr lacks the equipment to do so.

If there is a game changer in this war, it is the drones. The Netherlands is taking this serious more in the detection, drone defence we have already mobile radars (you can fit them on a car) that can see bird or drone this radar you than can connect to other existing anti-air systems to counter drone attacks those are being used in Ukraine. And we are producing drones for various tasks we are arming the MQ-9 Reaper b

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Who are the two dancers here?

Russia and Ukraine

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Russia and Ukraine

Markus

Russia and the US. As long as this is a war of attrition, Ukraine is done without US support.

Russia and America talk about Ukraine, not so much to or with Ukraine.

Europe plays no role. And if it wanted it diferrenbtly, it nevertehless would not be able. Realostically Eurpoe cna send 10-20 thousand instead of the calculated 100 to 150 thousands "peace keepers" that would be needed for a Euro msision in Ukraine. And it would need plenty of US capabilities that Europe simply does not have.

So, in the end Washington and Moscow not only tlak abotu and not with Ukriane, but they also talk about and not really with Europe.

Putin is a happy man currently. Nothing but wins this week.


Europe is staring into an abyss now. At the very bottomg, deep deep below, there lie the many broken monuments of its own security-political failures and omissions. And the whining sound you hear is not the wind, but Merkel's giggle.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Russia and the US. As long as this is a war of attrition, Ukraine is done without US support.

Russia and America talk about Ukraine, not so much to or with Ukraine.

Europe plays no role. And if it wanted it diferrenbtly, it nevertehless would not be able. Realostically Eurpoe cna send 10-20 thousand instead of the calculated 100 to 150 thousands "peace keepers" that would be needed for a Euro msision in Ukraine. And it would need plenty of US capabilities that Europe simply does not have.

So, in the end Washington and Moscow not only tlak abotu and not with Ukriane, but they also talk about and not really with Europe.

Putin is a happy man currently. Nothing but wins this week.


Europe is staring into an abyss now. At the very bottomg, deep deep below, there lie the many broken monuments of its own security-political failures and omissions. And the whining sound you hear is not the wind, but Merkel's giggle.

It is naive to think Ukraine Rada will accept any agreement forced on them that is not gone happen than the war will go on ukraine will never accept this. With or without the US Ukraine will never surrender they rather die.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Witkoff confirms talks with Russians in Saudi Arabia: We are going with Waltz, hope for progress

US Presidential Special Representative for the Middle East Steve Witkoff confirms that US officials will travel to Saudi Arabia for talks with the Russians to end the war in Ukraine.

He said this on Fox News, Censor.NET reports.

Witkoff said that on Sunday, February 16, he and National Security Advisor Mike Volz will travel to Saudi Arabia to hold talks with the Russians to end the war in Ukraine.

"I'm leaving tonight. I will go there with the national security adviser, and we will have meetings at the president's direction, and hopefully we will make really good progress," Trump's special envoy said.

Witkoff also rejected speculation that the Ukrainian side was excluded from the talks, but the American official did not say whether a delegation from Kyiv had been invited.

"I don't think it's about excluding anyone. In fact, it's about including everyone," Reuters quoted him as saying.

As a reminder, on February 12, 2025, Trump said that his meeting with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin would likely take place in Saudi Arabia.

Trump also said that a meeting between representatives of Ukraine, the United States, and Russia would take place in Saudi Arabia next week.

On February 14, the Saudi Foreign Ministry announced that the Kingdom was ready to host a meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

Subsequently, Reuters reported that representatives of the United States and Russia would meet in Saudi Arabia in the coming days to begin negotiations aimed at ending the war in Ukraine. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3536111

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Russia and the US. As long as this is a war of attrition, Ukraine is done without US support.

Russia and America talk about Ukraine, not so much to or with Ukraine.

Europe plays no role. And if it wanted it diferrenbtly, it nevertehless would not be able. Realostically Eurpoe cna send 10-20 thousand instead of the calculated 100 to 150 thousands "peace keepers" that would be needed for a Euro msision in Ukraine. And it would need plenty of US capabilities that Europe simply does not have.

So, in the end Washington and Moscow not only tlak abotu and not with Ukriane, but they also talk about and not really with Europe.

Putin is a happy man currently. Nothing but wins this week.


Europe is staring into an abyss now. At the very bottomg, deep deep below, there lie the many broken monuments of its own security-political failures and omissions. And the whining sound you hear is not the wind, but Merkel's giggle.

It's Ukraine and Russia who is fighting the war, rest of Europe is not. USA is only there as host for the negotiations.

Markus

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

It is naive to think Ukraine Rada will accept any agreement forced on them that is not gone happen than the war will go on ukraine will never accept this. With or without the US Ukraine will never surrender they rather die.

I agree with you. However they can be forced to it, as Russia can be forced to give away some land for peace.

Markus

[Dargo]

No they can not be forced Ukraine and only Ukraine will decide if they surrender Cossacks are not the surrender kind they will fight on as they do for centuries against Russia.

[Dargo]

Everybody hear Russia? The zone is being flooded with all kind of retard suggestions do not trust the information zone, it all false. This neither is transactional it is not a deal it is negotiations to a peace treaty so all that they get this or that is either the US has become retard or it is intentional ponder over that than all those disinfo flood in the media. And the Kremlin sips his vodka, seeing the US doing all they want.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

No they can not be forced Ukraine and only Ukraine will decide if they surrender Cossacks are not the surrender kind they will fight on as they do for centuries against Russia.

If I remember correctly a majority of the Cossacks live in Crimea and they dislike the Russians and would as you wrote never give up.

Kyiv should give weapon and ammo to them, so they can fight the Russians in Crimea.

Markus