Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

I think you are both right in sort of a way.

It's not going so bad for Russia as some may tell us and it's not going so bad for Ukraine as some may tell us.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That are academical finger exercises. And while you practice them, Ukraine more and more gets bombed into oblivion and its forces more and more must fall back and dont know in and out anymore. Atrition war. And Ukraine is at the losing end of it. Necessarily. Its a smaller people, a smaller country, a smaller production capacityo f which much is destroyed already and anorhg rbgi share is hampered, and its powerplants almpast all are DESTROYED. And you play number games about Rubles in the future and speculations about Russia'S future economyin the future...? Thats hypertheoretical and disconnected form t he rpesen reality. It simpy, doe snot matter what will be in two years in Russia. Ukraine gets bombe dinto oieces right now. And the nRussian ever pump up the volume and so far nothign the West has done seriosuly impressed them. Not to mention: stopped them. The pump up the volume instead.



Russia produces military stuff currently in three month what all of Europe produces in a full year. Russia produces four times more miliutary stuff per time than all of Europe together. That is no theory. No future. That is NOW. And nobody in Europe has answered that so far. Nor seems to be capable. Nor seems to be willing.



What will happen with Russia and Ukraine in the years after the war, does not interest me at present, thats just entertainment and speculation. How Ukraine can survive the imminent present - that is the problem, and it commands any other problem to step aside for the time being. They are running out of breath very, very rapidly.



Right your way of arguing and speculation about a future is the reason why the West does not get its acts together in this confict.



When you have your head under water and cant get air, I hardly believe you would in these seconds then mind to plan your next year's summer holiday and wondering how many Mexican Pesos you get for your Euros.

I do not worry for next summer my investments also those in Ukraine will be ok I would be stupid not to profit from a +7 trillion deal like the west including Trump will not be that stupid. This is not speculation this is a fact in a captalist system we the west will not give it away to the anti west bloc.

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There is every chance to end war in 2025, in January we will see Trump’s proposals - Zelenskyy

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine has every chance to end the war next year. It is necessary to hear new proposals from US President-elect Donald Trump on a plan to end the war, which may be possible in January.

The head of state said this during the 3rd International Conference on Food Security Grain from Ukraine on Saturday, November 23, Interfax-Ukraine reports, Censor.NET reports.

"We are open, I will say it again, and by the way, to the leaders of African countries, Asia, and the Arab states... We are ready to see their proposals. I also want to see the proposals of the new President of the United States of America. I think we will see these proposals in January. And I think we will have a plan to end this war," Zelenskyy said.

The president also said that he "did not want the Russian quality of disinformation to influence people, that we have only our plan and we do not want to hear from other partners from other continents." He says this is not true.

Zelenskyy also emphasized that the global South will be on the side of Ukraine and on the side of ending the war when the United States has a stronger position.

"I am confident that we have every chance to do this (end the war - ed.) next year. There are appropriate steps for this... We understand that Russia will not take all these steps. But there is a UN Charter, and all our steps based on the UN Charter will be supported by our partners," the head of state added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3521549

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Armenia and Georgia are next on the menu for the Russian Bear

Winston Churchill's famous remark that Russia was a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma needs revisiting. After Putin's brutal assault on Ukraine, there seems nothing enigmatic about his intentions.

Nearly three years ago as his columns of tanks made for Kyiv, the Russian President wanted the subjugation of Ukraine and its absorption into a newly expansionist Russia.

Today, with the conflict bogged down in horrendous trench warfare in the east, repeated Russian missile strikes on Ukraine's civilians and infrastructure, and Donald Trump about to return to the White House, the world is waiting to see if Putin's war can be brought to an end - and on what terms.

Yet Churchill's words, uttered at the outset of the Second World War, and after the ruinous failure of appeasement of Nazi Germany, still have resonance for our times. Putin's blitzkrieg against innocent Ukraine runs the risk of blinding us to his wider and even more sinister ambitions.

Not that he has made any secret of them with his public statements. It is just that the West hasn't listened or declined to take him seriously.

This is a man who has called the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 as the "greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century" and who has demanded that the West rolls back military protection not only from the former territories of the Soviet Union but from all the countries of the former Warsaw Pact as well.

Putin's nightmarish dream - in which Ukraine is no more than a recent construct of the Bolsheviks and Lenin in the early 1920s - is the reconstitution of Imperial Russia, the one of the Czars, not the only slightly more modest but grimmer project of the Communists.

So, pulling harder at the threads of the riddle, the master plan becomes clearer and more alarming.

Ukraine may be under constant bombardment, but smaller but equally pivotal countries such as Georgia and Armenia are already coming under pressure from a hungry bear. Meanwhile, Belarus and Azerbaijan are already drawn into Moscow's orbit.

Take Georgia. In the last few days protesters in the Moscow-backed breakaway region of Abkhazia have stormed the parliament in a bid to stop a controversial investment deal with Moscow.

In the capital Tbilisi, an opposition politician hurled black paint over the head of Georgia's electoral commission in a separate protest against alleged fraud in the elections won last month by the ruling pro-Russian Georgian Dream party.

Armenia once again finds itself caught in a perilous situation. This time it is Erdoan's neo-Ottoman ambitions and Putin's cruel grandiosity that are reshaping the region via their proxy, the oil-rich, autocratic Azerbaijan.

The latter's military aggression in the Nagorno-Karabakh region in the fall of 2020, supported by both Russia and Turkey, reignited a dormant territorial conflict, resulting in Armenia's capitulation on November 9, 2020. The continued Azeri aggression, which included a blockade and starvation of civilians, led to the expulsion of 120,000 Armenians from their historic lands in September 2023.

Armenia has been a plaything of Russian and Turkish imperialism before - most notably after World War I when these two countries forcibly partitioned the land. Now, it appears the same actors have had had inside help, which Armenia's Prime Minister, Nikol Pashinyan, has admitted.

His passivity and indecisive response during the war exposed a critical failure in leadership on his part and likely made him part of a premeditated plot. The resulting failure to deter aggression gave Azerbaijan and its partners, Russia and Turkey, a window to act decisively, resulting in territorial losses for Armenia that crippled that nation's defences beyond repair.

By allowing Armenia to fall prey to Russian and Turkish ambitions without strong international intervention, while simultaneously neglecting Georgia's pro-EU aims, Western powers risk repeating the grave errors of past appeasement.

The strategic corridor encompassing Armenia and Georgia is a critical juncture between Europe and Asia, and its stability or instability has ramifications beyond local borders.

An effective Russian takeover of this corridor would embolden authoritarian regimes, as seen historically when ambitious powers are met with insufficient resistance. Western inaction on Armenian territorial defences is combined with lukewarm support for Georgian EU ambitions-failures that collectively embolden Russia's quest for regional dominance.

The need for decisive action is not only a matter of regional stability but a question of global strategic integrity.

Only through clear-eyed and resolute support can the international community prevent a historic repeat, safeguarding these nations from the ambitions that would otherwise seek to dominate them in a landscape eerily reminiscent of pre-World War II Europe.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...0ee22ef5&ei=18

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

in a captalist system we the west will not give it away

Look at what the Green-Reds have done to the German economy in the last three years, and then look me straight into the eyes and repeat what you have just said.
Dont be surprised if I then must giggle.

[Skybird]

Alleged Russian plan sees Ukraine 'cut' into 3 parts, intelligence source says

https://kyivindependent.com/secret-r...urce-confirms/

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Russia’s Kill Lists: Ukraine Reveals Chilling Pre-Invasion Plans

New details have surfaced about Russia’s chilling plans for Ukraine in the event of a successful invasion.

Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov, Head of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine, revealed that Moscow had prepared "kill lists" targeting influential Ukrainians.

These lists were part of a systematic strategy to eliminate figures central to Ukraine’s identity and resistance, according to Pravda.

Speaking at the Genocidal Practices of the Russian Federation in Ukraine forum, Budanov explained that the lists included teachers, veterans, clergy, and journalists.

These groups were seen as critical to maintaining Ukrainian culture and sovereignty.

Budanov emphasized that the atrocities committed in cities like Bucha, Borodianka, Hostomel, and Mariupol were not random acts of violence but part of a coordinated plan.

Russian forces, he claimed, had even been briefed on the locations of mass graves before the invasion began.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...cb1fda3c&ei=13

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Alleged Russian plan sees Ukraine 'cut' into 3 parts, intelligence source says

https://kyivindependent.com/secret-r...urce-confirms/

Cute how Putin thinks he sits at the table, but we do not allow dogs at the table he can sit under it and we gone allow him to eat the bare bones we kick at him.

[Dargo]

Senator Graham on Trump’s "deal" for Ukraine:
"Ukraine is Europe’s richest country in rare minerals—worth $2-7 trillion. That’s why the U.S. must help Ukraine win against Russia. Trump’s plan ensures a strong economic partnership, benefiting both nations: peace, rare minerals, and prosperity." https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.../3lbngud3bls26

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Total combat losses of Russian Federation since beginning of war are about 730,740 people (+1020 per day), 9,423 tanks, 20,765 artillery systems, 19,209 armored combat vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Ukrainian Defense Forces have eliminated 730,740 Russian invaders since the beginning of the full-scale invasion.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24.02.22 to 24.11.24 are approximately

personnel - about 730740 (+1020) people,

tanks - 9423 (+4) units

armored combat vehicles - 19209 (+17) units

artillery systems - 20765 (+5) units,

MLRS - 1254 (+0) units,

air defense systems - 1004 (+0) units

airplanes - 369 (+0) units

helicopters - 329 (+0) units,

UAVs of operational and tactical level - 19366 (+1),

cruise missiles - 2764 (+0),

ships/boats - 28 (+0) units

submarines - 1 (+0) units,

motor vehicles and tankers - 29864 (+14) units

special equipment - 3679 (+1) Source: https://censor.net/en/n3521592

[Dowly]

Sixth Finnish volunteer killed in eastern Ukraine

A Finnish medic has been killed during the Russian offensive against Ukraine. He is the sixth Finn confirmed killed in Ukraine.

A Finnish volunteer fighter who fought in the Ukrainian armed forces was killed in Ukraine. The Your Finnish Friends association, which assists volunteers, reports the news on its social media channels.

Volunteer "Sipa" was a medic in the 1st Infantry Platoon of the International Legion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Your Finnish Friends does not provide further details on the circumstances of his death.

He is the sixth Finn confirmed to have died fighting on the Ukrainian side. The last casualty was Ville Mykkänen, a youth activist from the Centre for Youth, who was killed in early August. Mykkänen was killed in Luhansk, eastern Ukraine, by mortar shrapnel, according to Helsingin Sanomat. In July, a Finnish volunteer was also killed - also in eastern Ukraine, north of Donetsk.

According to the Your Finnish Friends association, there are dozens of Finnish volunteers fighting on the Ukrainian side in various positions.

[Skybird]

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The illustrations are quite eye-opening.

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