Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Dargo]

Every weapon system "given" to Ukraine are from stock, old not used or time to replace every "given" equipment is followed with an order in the US (The military aid money goes to the US not to Ukraine.) to refill stock. The result is that the economy in those states with these factories profit from it, sometimes it is cheaper to send equipment, munition to Ukraine than decommission it. Some factories in the US has so many orders that they have long delays in new deliveries the Netherlands has a patriot battery for repair in the US but when it will be ready is not known.

Sweden first country to provide radar planes to combat airstrikes Russia

Ukraine is getting a major new weapons system to combat Russian airstrikes. As the first country, Sweden decided Wednesday to donate valuable radar aircraft to monitor its airspace. The aircraft will also support the operations of F-16s. The surprising Swedish move is a new sign that Ukraine's air force is on the verge of commissioning the F-16s promised by Western countries last year. Ukrainian Defence Minister Roestem Umerov said Tuesday that the air force could have the first fighter jets “very soon".

With the two Saab 340 aircraft, similar to the American AWACS (Airborne warning and control system) aircraft, the Ukrainians will soon be able to see and track Russian fighter jets up to 300 to 400 kilometres. This information can be quickly relayed to the acquired F-16s so they can proceed to the attack. The crew of the Saab 340s can also track Russian cruise missiles, helicopters, ballistic missiles and naval vessels over a wide area. 'With these aircraft, Ukraine gains a completely new tool against air and sea targets,' the Swedish Defence Ministry said in a statement. 'Ukraine's ability to identify and engage long-range targets will be strengthened as a result.'

Defence Minister Pal Jonson said the introduction of the radar aircraft, in conjunction with the F-16s, will help Ukraine considerably on the battlefield. “Right now, delivery will have the biggest impact on the Ukrainian air force,” Jonson said. Sweden will also supply modern U.S. Amraam anti-aircraft missiles to arm the F-16s. Furthermore, the Swedes are relinquishing all their armoured tracked vehicles to enable the arming of new Ukrainian brigades. The weapons are part of a new Swedish military aid package for the Ukrainian army, worth 1.1 billion euros. It is the largest Swedish arms delivery to date since the invasion.

Radar aircraft are indispensable in a large-scale war. These flying radar stations can provide a much better picture than ground radar of what the enemy is doing in the airspace or on the ground. The best-known system, the AWACS (by Boeing, with the saucer-shaped radar), has been used by the US in numerous wars. Thanks in part to advanced radar technology, the Swedish aircraft can monitor hundreds of targets at once. 'We can see almost anything,' Swedish officer Alexander Thörner told the aviation magazine Flight Global about the missions of the Saab aircraft. 'If we know what we are looking for, we will find it 99 times out of 100: whether in the air or on the ground. It's really hard to hide from us.'

When Ukraine will get the planes, Sweden would not say. However, the Ukrainian Air Force should take into account that the Russians will do everything in their power to shoot the two Saab aircraft out of the sky as soon as possible. Because not only will it become more difficult for the Russian Air Force to operate in Ukrainian airspace when the Saab aircraft's missions begin, the operations of the F-16s will also become even more dangerous. However, Russia knows, because the radar aircraft's missions last about five hours, that they are an easy target for air defence systems such as the Russian S-400. Moscow has experienced this for itself in recent months. Ukraine managed to take down two Russian Beriev radar aircraft, which are much larger than the Swedish aircraft, in recent months. This was a big loss for the Russians. The air force would now have only six radar planes left. https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland...jden~baf08454/

Countries which have already authorized Ukraine the usage of their delivered weapons systems against targets on Russian soil:

• Finland
• UK
• The Netherlands
• France
• Poland
• Czech Republic
• Estonia
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Sweden
• Denmark
• Canada

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

what about the missiles aren't they on lend-basis and therefore still own by Germany and/or USA ??

You mean after the missile has been fired and destroyed its target the ukrainians have to give it back to Germany or the US? Hm. In pieces, or freshly re-assembled?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You mean after the missile has been fired and destroyed its target the ukrainians have to give it back to Germany or the US? Hm. In pieces, or freshly re-assembled?

No think UK WWII

They had to return material who wasn't destroyed or damaged.

Guess the same goes here-Missiles who hasn't been used after the war-shall be returned to US.

Markus

[Rockstar]

All feel good words, I hope you will let us know when Ukraine uses those European game changing wonder weapons on or over Russian soil.

It’s one thing to argue over approval ratings it’s another to actually get them in a position to use. Go ahead move the Grippens, Patriot and HIMARS batteries closer to the front see how long they last.

Or you could make Russia come to you and make them do the work getting supplies to their forward positions.

Realize too these U.S. weapon system are designed to fulfill a specific role in modern U.S. warfare doctrine. Not outdated early 1900 trench warfare.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

All feel good words, I hope you will let us know when Ukraine uses those European game changing wonder weapons on or over Russian soil.

It’s one thing to argue over approval ratings it’s another to actually get them in a position to use. Go ahead move the Grippens, Patriot and HIMARS batteries closer to the front see how long they last.

Or you could make Russia come to you and make them do the work getting supplies to their forward positions.

Realize too these U.S. weapon system are designed to fulfill a specific role in modern U.S. warfare doctrine. Not outdated early 1900 trench warfare.

They are being used as we speak.
Maybe the trench war in Ukraine is showing what we can expect in a modern WWIII.

Markus

[mapuc]

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

They are being used as we speak…,


Markus

Which ones?

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

They are being used as we speak.
Maybe the trench war in Ukraine is showing what we can expect in a modern WWIII.

Markus

A trench war means your strategy has failed, no military want that. You want to move forward, not force your armies on the front to dig trenches to protect themselves.

[mapuc]

@ Rockstar
Danish Artillery
British ground to ground missiles and rockets

@ Dargo.
I wrote maybe
If the defender is stronger than you, you'll fail in gaining land.

More about these Swedish AWACS



Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

@ Rockstar
Danish Artillery
British ground to ground missiles and rockets

@ Dargo.
I wrote maybe
If the defender is stronger than you, you'll fail in gaining land.

Markus

All of those systems are hitting Russians on Russian on soil, really?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

All of those hitting Russians on Russian on soil?

To be honest I was just guessing based on what I have read today in the news and in this thread.

I hope they are targeting primary targets around the Ukraine/Russian border.

This AWACS hasn't arrived yet and when it does it will, as said in the video, being used thrifty due to threat from the Russian longrange air to air missiles who can fly 400 km.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

To be honest I was just guessing based on what I have read today in the news and in this thread.

I hope they are targeting primary targets around the Ukraine/Russian border.

This AWACS hasn't arrived yet and when it does it will, as said in the video, being used thrifty due to threat from the Russian longrange air to air missiles who can fly 400 km.

Markus

But like I said not in Russian territory, just empty words. I remember when those two morons Macron and Scholz trembled early on afraid to make Putin mad. The U.S., U.K. and Baltic States were arming, training Ukrainian soldiers since 2014.

I’ll bet you big money now that certain European leaders like those two sheep mentioned above smell victory, now they suddenly come out of the wood work wanting to be seen as heros, declaring approval for something they can’t provide to Ukraine anyway just to show how much they care.

[mapuc]

Markus

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

But like I said not in Russian territory, just empty words. IMO when those two morons Macron and Scholz trembled early on afraid to make Putin mad. The U.S., U.K. and Baltic States were arming, training Ukrainian soldiers since 2014.

I’ll bet you big money now that certain European leaders like those two sheep mentioned above smell victory they come out of the wood work suddenly ready to march into battle to be a hero after the war is over declaring approval to show how much they care.

You may be right however it is only a matter of time before we will receive news on how the Westen weapons has been used against Russian targets inside Russia-Only a matter of time.

Do they know something I don't ? Because the war ain't over yet and who's going win is still uncertain.

Markus

[Reece]

If Russia can fire Iranian and North Korea weapons into Ukraine I see no reason Ukraine can't fire western weapons into Russia!!