Leaker of U.S. secret documents worked on military base

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by MaDef

"Three May Keep a Secret if Two are Dead"

Quoting Hillary Clinton?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Quoting Hillary Clinton?

Benjamin Franklin. (poor Richards Almanac. 1735)

"Harradin" Hillary takes the idiom literally.

[mapuc]

Hmm There's a thing I can't add up in my head, maybe you could enlighten me with this riddle.

This young man who was arrested worked as Air National Guardsman.
How could he access secret and top secret paper from different areas inside the Intelligent ?

In my wold these guards do not have access to these type of paper.

Maybe it's different in USA ?

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Hmm There's a thing I can't add up in my head, maybe you could enlighten me with this riddle.

This young man who was arrested worked as Air National Guardsman.
How could he access secret and top secret paper from different areas inside the Intelligent ?

In my wold these guards do not have access to these type of paper.

Maybe it's different in USA ?

Markus

It depends on his particular job.

At one point even though I was just a buck (junior) Sergeant I was the highest cleared person on Fort Devens because I was working in the post communications center and needed access to intel traffic going all the resident units and separate commands so I could process it.

Back then everything was done on punch cards and teletype paper so making illicit copies of classified materials was nearly impossible. These days it must be a security nightmare now that everything is transmitted electronically. You just can't achieve the same level of control over electronic media that you can with stamped and numbered hard copies.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

It depends on his particular job.

At one point even though I was just a buck (junior) Sergeant I was the highest cleared person on Fort Devens because I was working in the post communications center and needed access to intel traffic going all the resident units and separate commands so I could process it.

Back then everything was done on punch cards and teletype paper so making illicit copies of classified materials was nearly impossible. These days it must be a security nightmare now that everything is transmitted electronically.

Thank you Dave.

I thought why not search for information about this.

And found this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/04...-leak-pentagon

The man is a member of the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard and is tied to an online group where the leaked documents first appeared.

This quote made me even more confused-Air National Guard-How can it be that they have access to secret and top secret paper and not only from one place but several places ?

I think it must be me who are thinking Danish and Danish National Guard(Hjemmeværnet)

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by August

It depends on his particular job.

At one point even though I was just a buck (junior) Sergeant I was the highest cleared person on Fort Devens because I was working in the post communications center and needed access to intel traffic going all the resident units and separate commands so I could process it.

Back then everything was done on punch cards and teletype paper so making illicit copies of classified materials was nearly impossible. These days it must be a security nightmare now that everything is transmitted electronically. You just can't achieve the same level of control over electronic media that you can with stamped and numbered hard copies.

That's certainly the mechanics of handling sensitive and classified information. For me, the Issue is what would make this kid essentially sell out his country, and for what. Reports suggest this kid did this to " Impress his little internet friends." His efforts have hurt another country ( The Ukraine ) which is fighting for it's freedom against an aggressor country. Other information he disseminated on the internet has hurt other countries and our standing with them. We may have our Issues with our Goverment but that doesn't mean you sell it out.

You, like many I have know in the military and our esteemed veterans here in Subsim would never, ever, for any reason, including money, sell out or undermine our country. Our U.S Government, like many Governments worldwide has it's share of Idiots. George Santos and as Neal and Budda pointed out, Rep Marjorie Taylor Green and Kevin McCarthy Immediately come to mind. The Walker Spy ring and Ronald Pelton also come to mind regarding betraying their country.
I just can't understand what would make someone betray or undermine their country.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I just can't understand what would make someone betray or undermine their country.

As I wrote before it's more likely that an American would sell top secret stuff to an another country than a person who is born in an another country.

It was a Swedish survey who showed that a huge majority of those spies who got caught from 1940 and forward was Swedish citizens born in Sweden, while a very little part was born outside Sweden.
(This survey was made in the middle of the 90's)

Here is a wiki about the last spy and one of the biggest scandal in Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Bergling

Back to discuss American problems with who should access top secret papers.

Markus

[Torvald Von Mansee]

People likely died because of this kid's actions. He should be shot.


We used to do that to spies.

[Buddahaid]

I know, right? Why then is MAGA making excuses for him?

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

People likely died because of this kid's actions. He should be shot.


We used to do that to spies.

Last time the U.S. executed anyone for spying (at least legally) was 1953.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

People likely died because of this kid's actions. He should be shot.


We used to do that to spies.

First he is not being charged with espionage.



FSecond we would have to find evidence that his betrayal actually did result in deaths and also prove that those same people would not have died without the betrayal.


A pretty tough case to prove.



Even Aldrich Ames, whose betrayal was demonstrated to have caused the execution of at least 10 sources was not given the death penalty. We have to settle for him rotting to death in a cage.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Hmm There's a thing I can't add up in my head, maybe you could enlighten me with this riddle.

This young man who was arrested worked as Air National Guardsman.
How could he access secret and top secret paper from different areas inside the Intelligent ?

In my wold these guards do not have access to these type of paper.

Maybe it's different in USA ?

Markus

I'm not sure, but I would guess with the advent of the internet, cell phones and personal electronics, it would be easier to get copies. I was in the Navy when the SNAP II system was coming online (for ordering supplies). Back then the Division Chief was the only one allowed to access the system. As I recall I was given access by my Chief ( he provided password and authorized me to use the system without proper authority) and I was only a 3rd class P.O. at the time.

I held a Top Secret clearance while I was active duty, due to my rating (I was a Gunner's mate). However I could only access information relevant to my job. in other words I could access information on all the weapons and munitions we carried, I also had access to threat assessments and security measures as GM's were tasked with physical security of that command.

Any information I accessed had to be approved either by command policy or via special request up the chain of command. Strict chain of custody was observed in either case.

mapuc, just found this:
Teixeira joined the Air National Guard in September 2019 and worked as a cybersecurity systems journeyman, a position in which he held the highest-level security clearance

His job required high level access. a lot of military & intelligence networks are linked at some point which allowed this guy to skip from the National Guard, over to the pentagon, NSA, CIA, etc.

[Skybird]

I assum ethe problem was not so much the boy-man enforcing himslf access to data or somehtiugn like that, but that superiors mindlessly did not care if he handled classified material, thinking maybe "he was harmless", or "a good boy".

[August]

Originally Posted by MaDef

I'm not sure, but I would guess with the advent of the internet, cell phones and personal electronics, it would be easier to get copies.

That's exactly what it is. Classified documents in a paper based system are stamped and numbered and there is a physical chain of custody from the time they leave the comm center to the time they get to the designated recipient.

Once you put that stuff out on the internet you loose that physical chain of custody and this is the result.

[Buddahaid]

Freaking MTG defends the fricking traitor! She is a traitor.