Leaker of U.S. secret documents worked on military base

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Hmm There's a thing I can't add up in my head, maybe you could enlighten me with this riddle.

This young man who was arrested worked as Air National Guardsman.
How could he access secret and top secret paper from different areas inside the Intelligent ?

In my wold these guards do not have access to these type of paper.

Maybe it's different in USA ?

Markus

It depends on his particular job.

At one point even though I was just a buck (junior) Sergeant I was the highest cleared person on Fort Devens because I was working in the post communications center and needed access to intel traffic going all the resident units and separate commands so I could process it.

Back then everything was done on punch cards and teletype paper so making illicit copies of classified materials was nearly impossible. These days it must be a security nightmare now that everything is transmitted electronically. You just can't achieve the same level of control over electronic media that you can with stamped and numbered hard copies.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

It depends on his particular job.

At one point even though I was just a buck (junior) Sergeant I was the highest cleared person on Fort Devens because I was working in the post communications center and needed access to intel traffic going all the resident units and separate commands so I could process it.

Back then everything was done on punch cards and teletype paper so making illicit copies of classified materials was nearly impossible. These days it must be a security nightmare now that everything is transmitted electronically.

Thank you Dave.

I thought why not search for information about this.

And found this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/04...-leak-pentagon

The man is a member of the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard and is tied to an online group where the leaked documents first appeared.

This quote made me even more confused-Air National Guard-How can it be that they have access to secret and top secret paper and not only from one place but several places ?

I think it must be me who are thinking Danish and Danish National Guard(Hjemmeværnet)

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by August

It depends on his particular job.

At one point even though I was just a buck (junior) Sergeant I was the highest cleared person on Fort Devens because I was working in the post communications center and needed access to intel traffic going all the resident units and separate commands so I could process it.

Back then everything was done on punch cards and teletype paper so making illicit copies of classified materials was nearly impossible. These days it must be a security nightmare now that everything is transmitted electronically. You just can't achieve the same level of control over electronic media that you can with stamped and numbered hard copies.

That's certainly the mechanics of handling sensitive and classified information. For me, the Issue is what would make this kid essentially sell out his country, and for what. Reports suggest this kid did this to " Impress his little internet friends." His efforts have hurt another country ( The Ukraine ) which is fighting for it's freedom against an aggressor country. Other information he disseminated on the internet has hurt other countries and our standing with them. We may have our Issues with our Goverment but that doesn't mean you sell it out.

You, like many I have know in the military and our esteemed veterans here in Subsim would never, ever, for any reason, including money, sell out or undermine our country. Our U.S Government, like many Governments worldwide has it's share of Idiots. George Santos and as Neal and Budda pointed out, Rep Marjorie Taylor Green and Kevin McCarthy Immediately come to mind. The Walker Spy ring and Ronald Pelton also come to mind regarding betraying their country.
I just can't understand what would make someone betray or undermine their country.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I just can't understand what would make someone betray or undermine their country.

As I wrote before it's more likely that an American would sell top secret stuff to an another country than a person who is born in an another country.

It was a Swedish survey who showed that a huge majority of those spies who got caught from 1940 and forward was Swedish citizens born in Sweden, while a very little part was born outside Sweden.
(This survey was made in the middle of the 90's)

Here is a wiki about the last spy and one of the biggest scandal in Sweden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Bergling

Back to discuss American problems with who should access top secret papers.

Markus

[Torvald Von Mansee]

People likely died because of this kid's actions. He should be shot.


We used to do that to spies.

[Buddahaid]

I know, right? Why then is MAGA making excuses for him?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

No clue.

[Aktungbby]

I imagine that Ukraine, while miffed, will weigh the enormous advantage of US intelligence that has weighed in their favor, along with superior warfare matèriel against the Russian 'elephant' that has afflicted NATO since WWII. I"m amazed at the Russian complete lack of intelligence control that allowed the warning of 'false flag' attacks, et al, by a now-evident third-rate military that was once actually considered for membership in NATO??! As I've previously noted, in WWII as his mismanagement of Operation Barbarossa was deemed essential to the Allied war effort, Hitler was NOT assassinated; and so it is proving with with 'Vlad the Grate' Putin. Should he be killed by his own side or die of his rumored cancer, my chief concern is that the Kremlin might actually find someone competent to conduct the the restoration of the neoStalinist iron-curtain empire in contesting the so-called 'Merikan-led "world order". Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania are the next dominos to fall if Ukraine falls...

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

People likely died because of this kid's actions. He should be shot.


We used to do that to spies.

Last time the U.S. executed anyone for spying (at least legally) was 1953.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

People likely died because of this kid's actions. He should be shot.


We used to do that to spies.

First he is not being charged with espionage.



FSecond we would have to find evidence that his betrayal actually did result in deaths and also prove that those same people would not have died without the betrayal.


A pretty tough case to prove.



Even Aldrich Ames, whose betrayal was demonstrated to have caused the execution of at least 10 sources was not given the death penalty. We have to settle for him rotting to death in a cage.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

First he is not being charged with espionage.

FSecond we would have to find evidence that his betrayal actually did result in deaths and also prove that those same people would not have died without the betrayal.

A pretty tough case to prove.

Even Aldrich Ames, whose betrayal was demonstrated to have caused the execution of at least 10 sources was not given the death penalty. We have to settle for him rotting to death in a cage.

But according to Budda the "MAGA" is making excuses.