Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

See reports of many tank transports (T-80BV, BMP-2, BMP-1KSh, and T-62M tanks) the mass of untrained Russian conscripts will be unarmed or at best with ancient equipment of little utility against the modern weapons that Ukraine has and think that training will be short.

Its about numbers. Has the Ukraine more AT missiles than Russia has tanks or has Russia more tanks than the Ukraine has ammo and shooters?

That's Putin's calculation here. He copies ways they tried during WWII, where masses of bodies should defeat German positions or superior mobile operation leadership or superior firepower: just throw more bodies at the enemy than the enmy can shoot at. Saturating the killzone with bodies so that the enemy cannot see and hit anything anymore. High own losses? Irrelevant.

As long as they do not revolt, at least.

Russian soldiers always have had two enemies when at war: their military enemy, and their own leadership. And often it is not clear who the worse enemy was (and is).

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Its about numbers. Has the Ukraine more AT missiles than Russia has tanks or has Russia more tanks than the Ukraine has ammo and shooters?

That's Putin's calculation here. He copies ways they tried during WWII, where masses of bodies should defeat German positions or superior mobile operation leadership or superior firepower: just throw more bodies at the enemy than the enmy can shoot at. Saturating the killzone with bodies so that the enemy cannot see and hit anything anymore. High own losses? Irrelevant.

As long as they do not revolt, at least.

Russian soldiers always have had two enemies when at war: their military enemy, and their own leadership. And often it is not clear who the worse enemy was (and is).

Sums it up well for me

[Jimbuna]

Russians flee to border after military call-up
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62996212

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Another 11 ships with Ukrainian agricultural products left Ukrainian ports. PHOTOS

Ships go to countries in Africa and Asia.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the Ministry of Infrastructure.

"The bulk carrier ZEKO Y departed from the "Odesa" port, the MERRY M, LADY AYANA, MO GAN SHAN, TZAREVICH, GUDENA, NIL DEMIR, SEA DOVE from the "Chornomorsk" port, and the FORTUNA, GEM STAR, MAVKA from the "Pivdenny" port. On board 201 thousand tons of food," the message says.

Since the departure of the first ship with Ukrainian food, 4.58 million tons of agricultural products have already been exported. A total of 203 ships with food for the countries of Asia, Europe, and Africa left Ukrainian ports. Source: https://censor.net/en/p3369082

[Skybird]

Der Tagesspiegel writes:


In the Russian mobilization decree there is apparently a secret seventh point, according to which the Ministry of Defense is allowed to call up one million people. This had been reported by the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta, citing sources in the presidential administration. This point is missing from the published version of the decree and was classified as "For official use only." Point six is followed instead by point eight in the publicly available decree.

Such a clause would contradict statements made by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Wednesday. The latter had said after President Vladimir Putin's televised address that only 300,000 "combat-experienced" reservists would be called up.

Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Thursday called the report a "lie" when asked, but confirmed that the secret point of the decree was about the number of reservists who could be called up for military service. "The only thing I can say is what Sergei Shoigu said: We are talking about the number of up to 300,000 people," Peskov said.

Novaya Gazeta further reports that the issue of classifying the entire decree as classified was initially discussed in the Kremlin. Later, however, it was decided to block only the seventh item.

The U.S. think tank Institute for the Study of War (ISW) now reports that even the promise to draft only "combat-experienced" reservists is not being kept. For example, according to the ISW, the Russian opposition claims that an IT specialist was drafted even though he had never done military service. Students and men over 50 are also said to be affected. Shoigu had explicitly ruled out that the former would be drafted.

According to ISW, there are reports from two Russian regions, the Republic of Sakha and Kursk Oblast, that reservists are forbidden to leave their place of residence. Novaya Gazeta even reports at least four Russian regions where military commissariats have signed such orders.

The first Russian reservists had already been contacted on the day the partial mobilization was announced. According to the Russian military, even within 24 hours about 10,000 people volunteered to fight in Ukraine.

They had come to the recruiting offices voluntarily and without waiting for the summons, a military spokesman told the Russian news agency Interfax on Thursday. However, it is not possible to independently verify the veracity of the Russian statements.

Other Russians are being forced into military service as punishment: Reuters news agency reports, for example, that some of the more than 1,300 arrested during protests against the partial mobilization had received conscription notices while still in police custody. Russian civil rights organization OVG-Info reported cases from 15 police stations. Kremlin spokesman Peskov described this procedure as legal on Thursday.

[mapuc]

Can't remember which one of you mention this earlier in this thread

Dmitry Peskov, the Russian president’s press secretary, has said that in the event that Ukraine attacks the occupied Ukrainian territories where the so-called "referendums" are taking place, "the constitution of Russia will come into force."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/23/7368758/

Markus

[Dargo]

The Muslim Board of Uzbekistan has issued a fatwa (legal ruling) which deny Muslims to participate in any military activities except to defend their motherland. "You should not be involved, it is haram", says the fatwa. It also appeals to current anti-mercenary laws. https://twitter.com/nikmccaren/statu...93291700948993

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Its about numbers. Has the Ukraine more AT missiles than Russia has tanks or has Russia more tanks than the Ukraine has ammo and shooters?

That's Putin's calculation here. He copies ways they tried during WWII, where masses of bodies should defeat German positions or superior mobile operation leadership or superior firepower: just throw more bodies at the enemy than the enmy can shoot at. Saturating the killzone with bodies so that the enemy cannot see and hit anything anymore. High own losses? Irrelevant.

As long as they do not revolt, at least.

Russian soldiers always have had two enemies when at war: their military enemy, and their own leadership. And often it is not clear who the worse enemy was (and is).

The most important thing is to fill quotas, same as in the past quotas were always achieved in the gulags for the useless canals same with production the Russian way of corruption to saturate the kill zone they need to hire the Chinese Russian drunks will not archive victory.

[Platapus]

To paraphrase Emperor Hirohito, 124th Emperor of Japan





The war situation has developed not necessarily to Russia's advantage

[Jimbuna]

Russian-backed officials in Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are holding self-styled referendums on joining Russia.

The four regions involved are either partially or completely under Russian occupation.

The G7 group of wealthiest nations have condemned what it says are sham votes, that are taking place over five days.

Meanwhile Russia is implementing plans to call up reservists to fight in Ukraine after suffering setbacks there.

Queues have sprung up along Russia's borders as men attempt to leave the country to avoid a military call-up.

[Jimbuna]

Total combat losses of Russia since beginning of war - about 56,300 people, 255 planes, 220 helicopters, 2,262 tanks, 1,361 artillery systems, and 4,807 armored vehicles. INFOGRAPHICS

The Russian invaders, who invaded the territory of Ukraine, continue to suffer losses. As of the morning of September 24, the loss of enemy personnel are approximately 56,300.

This is reported by Censor.NET with reference to the press center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted, the total combat losses of the enemy from 24/02 to 24/09 are approximately:

personnel - about 56,300 (+240) people were eliminated,
tanks - 2262 (+8) units,
armored fighting vehicles - 4807 (+11) units,
artillery systems - 1361 (+6) units,
MLRS - 327 (+1) units,
air defense equipment - 170 (+0) units,
aircraft - 255 (+1) units,
helicopters - 220 (+1) units,
UAVs of operational-tactical level - 956 (+6),
cruise missiles - 240 (+0),
ships/boats - 15 (+0) units,
automotive equipment and tank trucks - 3681 (+22) units,
special equipment - 126 (+0). Source: https://censor.net/en/n3369285

[Dargo]

I'm running out of funny comments to add to all these complaints about mobilisation. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...15102019964928

Originally Posted by Kremlin

We pretend that mobilisation works, and they pretend to fight!

[Skybird]

FOCUS writes:


The sham referendums initiated by Russia in the occupied parts of Ukraine are in full swing. Curious: apparently, people who have already died are also allowed to vote. Russian administrative authorities in Alchevsk are counting the "votes" of people who are in captivity or have died, said Serhii Haidai, the head of the region's military administration. "There are certainly many voters. A resident of Alchevsk who is on the front lines, in captivity or already dead will also vote somehow. Perhaps their vote will be taken into account by telepathic means," the Ukrainian newspaper "Ukrainska Pravda" quoted the Russian administration chief as saying.

[mapuc]

Is it propaganda or is the Russian in such a condition.

Throughout the days I have seen a lot of small video clips showing drunk, very drunk Russian who has been drafted.

This made me wonder-Are they all drunk or is it Ukrainian propaganda.

Furthermore-Putin & Co knew that a mobilisation would happen and he should have build what I call drill school and try to hire civilian drill sergeants.

Then I would when I have announced this mobilisation sent these young men to a 8 weeks intensive training at these drill school.

Markus