Kilo class submarine

[Commander Wallace]

Excellent article Blair, as usual.



Diesel electric submarines still have a role to play.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Excellent article Blair, as usual.



Diesel electric submarines still have a role to play.

The New Swedish Sub A26 has 3 diesel and 3 Stirling engines (2 diesel and 2 Stirling engines)

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The New Swedish Sub A26 has 3 diesel and 3 Stirling engines (2 diesel and 2 Stirling engines)

Markus

Awesome, Markus.


I will look it up and it's specs but it's hardly a surprise. The Swedes have excellent military industries. Saab Is at the forefront, especially in the aerospace industries.

[Skybird]

^ Also known as "Blekinge class". 2 units under construction. No doubt these boats will be awesomely silent. But the programme is behind timetable, and costs are rising. The outstanding featuzre will be the capability to launch drones and fire weapons from them, so that the submarine itself remains fully stealthed even when firing.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Awesome, Markus.


I will look it up and it's specs but it's hardly a surprise. The Swedes have excellent military industries. Saab Is at the forefront, especially in the aerospace industries.

Here's Page about the sub from FMV-Defence Material Office

https://www.fmv.se/projekt/ubat-a26/

Markus

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The New Swedish Sub A26 has 3 diesel and 3 Stirling engines (2 diesel and 2 Stirling engines)

Markus

Think this might be a typo but the latest A26 has a very much updated stirling engine one that will be quieter than the current fit in the Gotland class.

The Gotlands are nice boats ideally designed for the region they operate and while the Belkinge class is also a good boat Export wise I don't see them getting many orders outside the Baltic simply because its not really designed for blue water work like the Kilo Victoria or even the Type 212.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Think this might be a typo but the latest A26 has a very much updated stirling engine one that will be quieter than the current fit in the Gotland class.

The Gotlands are nice boats ideally designed for the region they operate and while the Belkinge class is also a good boat Export wise I don't see them getting many orders outside the Baltic simply because its not really designed for blue water work like the Kilo Victoria or even the Type 212.

As it says in on the fmv homepage about A26.

The A26 will be able to operate world-wide, but is optimized for shallow waters such as the Baltic Sea. In practice, this means that the A26 can carry out transit over larger seas and then have its area of ​​operation close to the coast.

Compared to the Kilo class which one of them is best ?

Or is it so you can't compare them since Kilo is build to operate in deep water like the Atlantic and the Swedish Sub A26 is build for operating near coast.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Great article Blair.

The Kilo has certainly proven to be a true low cost/value for money design and will be around for quite a while yet.

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Great article Blair.

The Kilo has certainly proven to be a true low cost/value for money design and will be around for quite a while yet.

Thanks Jim much appreciated

[Catfish]

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[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by mapuc

As it says in on the fmv homepage about A26.



Compared to the Kilo class which one of them is best ?

Or is it so you can't compare them since Kilo is build to operate in deep water like the Atlantic and the Swedish Sub A26 is build for operating near coast.

Markus

Yeah I see that on the page but to me it doesn't read right I'm curious is it a 6 engine plan or a 4 engine plan or both in different hulls ?

It may just be me and the way I'm reading it


Overall the A26 I would say is going to be superior to the Kilo especially in littoral waters such as the Baltic and North sea, however the Kilo will have a better deep water capability and this from the site leads me to that conclusion.

but is optimized for shallow waters such as the Baltic Sea. In practice, this means that the A26 can carry out transit over larger seas and then have its area of ​​operation close to the coast.

Swedish boats operate at certain depths and from being on HMSwS Uppland a while ago I was a little bit confused at first as to why the boat goes as deep as stated by the indicators

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Excellent article Blair, as usual.



Diesel electric submarines still have a role to play.

Thanks CW they certainly do although I think in future we will be moving more towards the AIP set up

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Thanks CW they certainly do although I think in future we will be moving more towards the AIP set up

That certainly seems to be the trend and has distinct advantages. Countries that can't afford or have no need for nuclear propulsion submarines can still field effective submarines with AIP propulsion systems. AIP can also be used in conjunction with diesel electric propulsion systems as well.

Originally Posted by mapuc

Here's Page about the sub from FMV-Defence Material Office

https://www.fmv.se/projekt/ubat-a26/

Markus

Thanks for the information, Markus.

[Kapitan]

Thats the current trend for Canada and conventional boats certainly have many advantages over the Nukes.