Surprise: the Big Bang isn’t the beginning of the universe anymore

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It's nothing but fata morgana all this is being feedet into our brain via pipes, while we lay in this liquid in our coffin.

Yep we are in the Matrix

(this can't be proved-yet)

Markus

Truer is that we cannot objectively perceive the penultimate, final "reality". With what we perceive of the universe with our senses, we only demonstrate that our senses work according top their inbuilt modus operandi. And thats why for different species with different biological senses, one and the same universe appears to be very different things. We deal with echos of these perceptions that get fed into our brain via physical and chemical electric impulses. While the nature of matter also is somethign very different than what our senses seem to tell us about them.

We can get along. We can orientate ourselves sufficiently to exist for a while. And all the time we probably know NOTHING about how things "really" are. I mean: really "really".


Transcendence can only be had at the price of overlooking, forgetting oneself and one's own inbuilt sensual and intellectual limitations. Thats what meditation originally really is about. Its about the death of the - never having existed - ego, and the big danger therein lies in the easiness by which this can be understood terribly wrong, guiding you deeper and deeper into what you originally wanted to escape from.

The mere circumstance of "wanting" already is the root of all evil in this. And if you want to not want, you nevertheless already have stepped into the trap again.

Suche den Schimmer,
suche den Glanz,
Du findest es nimmer,
findest du es nicht ganz.
(Hans Bemmann: Stein und Flöte)

"If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."
(Mark 8, 34)

"The spirit is of shining clarity, so throw away the darkness of all your terms. Free yourself from everything!"
(Huang Po)


"There exists only one spirit and not a single particle of something different to which one could cling to. Because this spirit is Buddha-nature. If you students that are on the search, cannot awake to this substance of of spirit, then you will overlay the spirit with conceptual, abstract thinkling. Search for Buddha outside, and you will stay bound to external form, religious exercises and more things that are only harmful and are not the way of highets insight [...] Even the smallest thought to cling to this or that, already creates imaginary symbols that lead you back into diverse rebirths."
(Huang Po).

"What we see, never is nature itself, but is nature that is exposed to our way of asking questions about it."
(Werner Heisenberg)

"Therefore, I am the cause of myself according to my essential being which is eternal, but not according to my developing /unfolding apperance/form, which is temporal. And therefore, I am unborn, and according to that, I never can die. By the way of not being born I have existed sinc eall times, and I do exiost now, and will exist forever. What I am by the way of my developiung/unfolding appearance/form, will die and will be ruined, because it is mortal, therefore it will be shattere dby time."
(Meister Eckehart)

The Jews and the Taoists put it best:

"The name of God cannot be pronounced." (Judaism)

"The One Essence that could be known,
is not the essence of the Unknowable,
the idea that could be imagined,
is not the image of the Eternal.
Nameless is the All-One, is inner Essence.
Known by names is the all-many, is outer form.
Resting without desires means to learn the invisible inside.
Acting with desires means to stay with the limited outside.
All-the-One and all-the-many are of the same origin,
different only in appearance and name.
What they have in common, is th wwonder of Being.
The secret of this wonder
is the gate to all understanding."
(Lao Tse).

The summary of it all? By the experience of "Enlightenment", there is nothing that you would additionally gain. If only we would now it! We already are there and never have been somewhere else. The best spiritual practicing is to stopp making a fuss about thes eoh so important questions. Eat when you are hungry, sleep when you are tired, drink when you are thirsty, piss when your bladder is full. How much more obvious can reality be for you?

"Pain is no penalty. Death is no failure. Life is no reward."
(Treya Wilber)

According to religion

"Religion"? Which one? They can be very different. Some are theist and focus on deities and demons, others do not know such conceptions. Some are monotheist, some are multitheist, some are atheist. Some claim a beginning and an end, others dont even know what useful meaning these term could have. And ironically the most poetic genesis story of how the world was created, is even more fictional than all the others, its the song of the Ainur by Tolkien. The metaphor is beautiful, and the idea of matter/existence from music (wave), is not even that far-fetched, scientifically seen. All matter swings in waves, all the world swings in waves.