Afghanistan deadline

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Damn fine point. Excellent question. It will take a generation or two to change a mind set.

Longer, much longer. Its Islam as well as old patriarchalism you are up against. Both together are a monumental formation.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sure it was badly done. You and I recognize it. The current commander and chief who is swift with a pen and executive orders, tops in foreign relations as we were sold could not let the date pass? Could not have recognized this is an issue with a firm date and simply say we are staying a bit longer we like the culture? We will get back to you with a firm removal date....maybe but keep quietly removing US personnel?

Since May 1st was the deadline it was stalled considerably.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes.

However, most people living in Afganistan, are females. At least I seem to recall that females form a small majority. However, there are MANY girls and women. They do not get asked on anything.



I think its simply a hellhole to live in, to be honest.

But females don't matter in this region.

[les green01]

maybe they should have put the women on the lines they probly got bigger balls than the men maybe they would have put a fight up because they going go right back how it was,some of congress from both parties was telling biden they needed get going getting cilvians and allies out they was met with a close door while biden sit in the chair and jack off could trump done it better i doubt it but biden in the office now it was his call his screw up

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Since May 1st was the deadline it was stalled considerably.

Well, look at as we may, Biden last month said this would not happen(helicopters evacuating people off a roof top).

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Longer, much longer. Its Islam as well as old patriarchalism you are up against. Both together are a monumental formation.

Oh yeah, much longer. We won't live to see it.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Well, look at as we may, Biden last month said this would not happen(helicopters evacuating people off a roof top).

Well, that's just an extension of our political stupidity. I'm willing to bet the last 3 presidents would have said the same thing and been just as wrong.

[mapuc]

Someone wrote about a group in northern Afghanistan who had started to fight the Taliban and they would most likely get support from Russia.

Hmm and China making agreement with Taliban....sometimes my imagination runs berserk.

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Oh yeah, much longer. We won't live to see it.



Well, that's just an extension of our political stupidity. I'm willing to bet the last 3 presidents would have said the same thing and been just as wrong.

What gets me is the selling of Biden as a foreign relations expert. It was done with Obama and during the last election. We would expect better if that was th case.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What gets me is the selling of Biden as a foreign relations expert. It was done with Obama and during the last election. We would expect better if that was th case.

You left out Bush and Trump.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You left out Bush and Trump.

Bush and Trump did not state they are foreign relations experts.

[mapuc]

On the radio news I heard what could have been the reason to why the Afghan army gave up.
that they did not always get paid, that they were often hungry for several days, that the government ran away because they only sat there for their own gain, and thus have failed both soldiers and population?.

This can't be right I saw and heard Biden saying

We payed soldiers monthly wages

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mapuc

On the radio news I heard what could have been the reason to why the Afghan army gave up.
that they did not always get paid, that they were often hungry for several days, that the government ran away because they only sat there for their own gain, and thus have failed both soldiers and population?.

This can't be right I saw and heard Biden saying

We payed soldiers monthly wages

Markus

They gave up for a reason. More than likely the Taliban will pay much more than what the Afghan government is paying. It will come out in the wash before long.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Bush and Trump did not state they are foreign relations experts.

Even if they didn't (I'm pretty sure Trump must have said he knows more about it than anyone else), they are still responsible for their part in the making of this mess.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Even if they didn't (I'm pretty sure Trump must have said he knows more about it than anyone else), they are still responsible for their part in the making of this mess.

Pretty sure? That does not sound like the Buddahaid I know! Anyway, sure both had their hand in it but when the final switch is pulled I think the person at the switch should have looked at every avenue and possible scenario that could go wrong. Again, the Biden has been in one form or another in the game for 40 plus years. As Biden likes to say. "Come on man".

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Bush and Trump did not state they are foreign relations experts.

Not only did they not make such a boast i'd bet that both of them would have had a better plan in place to deal with the situation and to heck with the optics, (well Trump would anyway, not so sure about W).

Because if you get right down to it all those civilians will now die because of "optics". To begin pulling their at-risk civilians out while there was still time to do so just wouldn't have been showing the proper confidence in the Afghani puppet government . Because of those optics our government wouldn't do anything at all before it became publicly obvious that the government would collapse and now it's too late for many of them.

I seem to recall bringing up this issue here last winter and I was assured by some that the Biden administration had a plan but I guess the real plan was to hide out on vacation and do nothing except point fingers at others while the chips (and bodies) fall where they may.