US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Texas Red]

In my opinion, I think that 6 weeks is early for banning an aborting since most females don’t know they are pregnant that early on. However, I think that abortion should be banned at the time the fetus has a heartbeat. When that rolls around the fetus is now a human and is living, and so when you abort a fetus when it has a heartbeat you are killing a human. And that is why I have issues with.

I do like that Texas took the initiative here, but 6 week is way too early for banning abortions. Technically, they are unofficially banning abortions since they put that 6 week rule in.

[MaDef]

6 weeks is about right if you take into account that a fetal heartbeat is usually detectable at 6 1/2 to 7 weeks.

[Buddahaid]

Yes, that's the cold science, how about adding a human factor to this that takes into account human failing that doesn't put all the onus on the woman? So far all the argument I've gotten involves blaming the woman for the whole enchalada. Hello? Is this the 21st century?

[MaDef]

A women's uterus, a women's responsibility.

[Buddahaid]

A man's penis, a man's responsibility.

[MaDef]

Exactly, so what is the disconnect? If a woman is going to have sex, then she is ultimately responsible for getting pregnant. (the one exception is rape).
On the flip side, the man is responsible for the well being of the pregnant mother and after the birth, the baby.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Well then I would suggest the state foot the medical bill, pay the mother compensation, and take responsibility for the child after birth.

Think that would be enough?

[mapuc]

Looks like the fat lady hasn't stopped trying to sing.

I'm going to use google translate-This is due to payment page on the English pages.

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Emails reveal Trump's desperation

Five emails now reveal how far Trump would go to undermine the U.S. election result

Emails sent to the US Congress reveal that Donald Trump and his adviser Mark Meadows repeatedly tried to pressure the US Department of Justice to investigate theories of election fraud.

Says the New York Times.(the article is behind payment door)

The five emails were supposed to have been sent from ex-president's special adviser Mark Meadows in the last days of Donald Trump's office as head of the United States.

In the various e-mails, according to the New York Times, he should have tried to pressure the Attorney General Jeffrey, among other things. A Rosen to investigate allegations that Donald Trump had actually won in the state of New Mexico.

Wild theories
Furthermore, the ex-president's adviser wanted Jeffrey A. Rosen to investigate a wild theory that some people in Italy should have used military technology and satellites to tinker with the voting machines around the United States.

More specifically, the theory was that when a voter pressed 'Donald J. Trump', the machine registered 'Joseph R. Biden' instead.

According to the New York Times, these emails show how much energy Donald Trump and his staff put into trying to undermine the outcome of the U.S. election, in which Joe Biden, as you know, ended up winning.

None of the five emails show that Attorney General Jeffrey A. Rosen has in any way succumbed to the ex-president's demands for various investigations, writes the New York Times.

Although the ex-president was not re-elected in the recent presidential election, there are indications that he
expects to be back in the White House by August.

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Article two is about the last sentence in article 1. expects to be back in the White...

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Trump supporter Billionaire Mike Lindell:

Are just waiting for Trump
Pillow billionaire Mike Lindell fertilizes the ground further for a crazy Trump message. Now they are just waiting for the former president

It all started with a story from New York Times journalist Maggie Haberman. She meant to know that Donald Trump right now is walking around expecting to be reinstated as US President by August.

An insane message that is now being revived in an interview with MyPillow owner Mike Lindell, one of the former US president's biggest supporters and multibillionaire.

"If Donald Trump says August, it's probably because he's heard me say it in public," Mike Lindell said in an interview with the Daily Beast.

Also, Trump's former lawyer Sidney Powell, who was allegedly fired by just Trump for being a little too crazy, now supports his former employer.

We are definitely in an unknown area. There are cases where elections have been overturned, but it has never been one at the very top presidential level. However, that does not mean that it can not be done, she says in a video from a strongly right-wing forum on the web.

However, Donald Trump has not announced anything publicly about the wild plans, but according to the New York Times, Donald Trump feels pretty confident that the November election result will soon be overturned so he can occupy the White House again.

Military coup
The idea of an imminent Trump return comes in the wake of a recent conference for supporters of the QAnon conspiracy movement in Dallas.

Here, Donald Trump's former top adviser Michael Flynn recommended that the US military carry out a coup similar to what has happened in Myanmar in order to reinstate Trump.

A statement which he has since had to withdraw.

According to the American media Business Insider, Trump's return has been widely debated in conservative media. Among others, the top executive of the pillow company MyPillow, Mike Lindell, believes that Trump will soon replace Joe Biden in the presidency.

- Donald Trump will be back in August, Lindell says in a podcast with Trump's former senior adviser Steve Bannon.

The Trump camp has repeatedly made allegations of widespread electoral fraud in the presidential election, but none of the subsequent lawsuits have fallen out in favor of those allegations.

It is also completely unthinkable that the 74-year-old Trump will be reinstated as president, but it makes sense for him to keep hope alive, says Kasper Grotle-Rasmusen, associate professor at the Center for American Studies at the University of Southern Denmark.

- In this way, he keeps the memory of himself and his political position alive. He obviously intends to return to politics, and then he will have to see if the circumstances for it are favorable, he says and continues:

Whether he will run in the 2024 election or not is an open question, but he has not left the Republican Party. He is still largely a prominent leader in the party because many follow his particular form of populist conservatism.

At the same time, a date for Trump's return speaks straight into the Qanon conspiracy, Kasper Grotle-Rasmusen explains:

- There's always a new date. There also came this date in January, when the hope was that Mike Pence (former vice president, ed.) Would not formally approve the election result. It subsequently led to the storm at Congress. Then it was thought that something had to happen before Biden's inauguration on 20 January. Now they have a new date again.

- There are parts of the Qanon movement that in many ways are reminiscent of religious sects, where there is a kind of end-horizon, in relation to when the world is going under. It gets jerked when it does not happen. You would think that people would then stop believing in it, but it has simply turned out that they keep buying the story because they want it to be kept alive.

End of second article.

Scary stuff.

Markus

[Skybird]

No mind without material basis - brain. No brain, no mind. No brain, no awareness of "self" and no awareness of "environment". No signal processing. No brain, no quality of that kind that qulifies a body as a human. Without brian, without mind, a humanoid body is noi human, but just a corpus, dysfunctional, for it is designed for the purpose to serve the needs of the biological basis for a mind. If the biological basis can be replaced as carrier of a mind, then even this basis obviously would not be needed. That this is possible, and that we one day will move opur mind from our biological bodies into lets say ,machinery, is speculation only, and we also have no final answer if this even would be desirable. Not the body makes the human a human. Its his mind. The mind is the criterion.

An important step takes place in the 24th week of pregnancy: Then a group of nerve cell extensions from the diencephalon reaches what will one day be the cerebral cortex. It begins in the so-called thalamus, a switching point that collects, sorts and sends perceptions of our senses to regions that should continue to work with it. Only when these pathways are formed can the child notice what its sensory organs is recording. And react. Before that, information from the body does not reach the cortex at all, and there can actually be nothing that the fetus could perceive as "I".

I fail to see a relevant difference between the backwardedness of militant anti-abortion "activists", and for exmaple Islamic fundamentalists who completely want to own females as lifestock. Both root in anti-feminist, patriarchalic claims for possession of females by males, and patriarchalic hunger for power and control over women. Its primitive, its bigott, its unfair, its feverish religious zealousness. Its emotional irrationality killing ratio and intellect. To its defence, I also think that deep-rooting genetic programming is at play here. Some people can become aware of their genetic preset programs, others cannot. The latter have no chance to escape their preset behaviours, they will always be instinct-driven, and trapped in that. Its not kind to say that, but many of these people are not any kind either, but are quite cruel on mankind, causing a lot of hamr and suffering, thus my uncaring frankness. I take no prisoners on this one.

A clump of cells is not already a human. It takes systematic structure, its takes structural syntax, and these need time to form up.

But some people even go so far as to decry the fate of baby lives not being lived because they have not even been sired. These usually are the same people who want to procreate all life long, and have a dozen of children and more. The logic in this reasoning is so confused and absurd that words fail here.

Perception of the environment. Awareness of "self" and processing and discriminating stimuli, differentiating between "me" and "not me". That is where a clump of cells starts to become a living creature, may it be animal, may it be human (which is in principle also just another animal).

Unrealised potentials, single eggs or sperm cells, speculations about being that could be if only it would be fathered - are no humans, no creatures, no living things. They are just single cells, clumps of cells, or not even that. Nothing. Hypothetical possibilities are just that. If this is not understood, mental sanity sooner or later must necessarily fly out of the window, leaving borderline syndrome, hallucinations, and other mental darknesses behind. Psychotherapeutic manuals are full of descriptions of problems coming from the inability to differentiate functionality between different qualities and quantities of "own" and "other", as well as "real" and "surreal" existence. Its like in a dystopia by Philip Dick. Your world falls apart into ever smaller fragments.

From Eros to Cosmos. From Cosmos to Logos (that is a retranslation of the German title of a main book by Ken Wilber: Sex, Ecology, Spirituality). Always only in this sequence, never any other way. It just does not work in any other sequence. Logos forms up last, not first, the material universe is its basis and precondition.

[FireDragon76]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Are you sure about that?
From Henry Louis Gates Jr's arrest in 2009 to the "Charleston church massacre in 2015", Obama's responses to such incidents did more to foment racial tension, then diffuse it. BLM came to national prominence because of Obama's anemic response to the complaints of the Black community over perceived racial incidents in policing.

Obama had a careful and nuanced position on race in the US. On the other hand, his handling of Wall Street was tone deaf.

[August]

[mapuc]

To those of you who voted Dem(Biden)

Do you feel that your vote have been a failure-
On the election day you may have said to yourself no more Trump and today thinking-Why did I vote Dem(Biden)
Before we had plaque and I voted for cholera.

Or do you feel that Biden is way better than Trump ?

Markus

[FireDragon76]

Originally Posted by mapuc

To those of you who voted Dem(Biden)

Do you feel that your vote have been a failure-
On the election day you may have said to yourself no more Trump and today thinking-Why did I vote Dem(Biden)
Before we had plaque and I voted for cholera.

Or do you feel that Biden is way better than Trump ?

Markus

No, I don't think it's been a failure certainly but I think its a bit early to make a definitive judgement. Biden has been a competent leader so far.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by FireDragon76

No, I don't think it's been a failure certainly but I think its a bit early to make a definitive judgement. Biden has been a competent leader so far.

Competent at hiding from the press and not much else.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Competent at hiding from the press and not much else.

He's right Biden has barely been in the Oval Office for 6 Month.

I should have waited another 18 month before asking.

I don't think you can judge a politician on a so short a term.

Markus