North Korea unveils new submarine-launched missile

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

I absolutely think a Virginia or Seawolf should sink a NK boomer the second it comes out of port and is in deep water. Or even shallow water.

Bill Clinton apparently considered a military strike against NK's nuke program, but decided against it. He really, really should have done it.

Step one: screw up de-nuclearisation of Korean peninsular with inconsistent policy.
Step two: wait till DPRK has the capability to deliver nuclear weapons to CONUS.
Step three: attack DPRK's nuclear forces, likely provoking a nulcear response.


I mean this would be a solid way to get 2021 in general and Biden admin's first 100 days specifically to outshine Trump's presidency in general and it's record in 2020 specifically.


If you would like I could even sim this for the likely casualties.


But hey, hitting other countries that make you feel (mutually) vulnerable with the big stick is the natural american response, huh?

[mapuc]

I hate war

It is therefore very important that our leaders especially the President in USA is 110 % sure that KJU goal is to attack his neighbours and other countries if they intervene.
If the first bomb is dropped there is no way back and we really don't know what will happen thereafter. We can speculate, which these guys at Pentagon does.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Step one: screw up de-nuclearisation of Korean peninsular with inconsistent policy.
Step two: wait till DPRK has the capability to deliver nuclear weapons to CONUS.
Step three: attack DPRK's nuclear forces, likely provoking a nulcear response.


I mean this would be a solid way to get 2021 in general and Biden admin's first 100 days specifically to outshine Trump's presidency in general and it's record in 2020 specifically.


If you would like I could even sim this for the likely casualties.


But hey, hitting other countries that make you feel (mutually) vulnerable with the big stick is the natural american response, huh?

No, the US did not hit the USSR or Red China when we had the nuclear monopoly. We don't want to hit anyone. But having an unstable dictator threaten us make a difference.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

No, the US did not hit the USSR or Red China when we had the nuclear monopoly. We don't want to hit anyone. But having an unstable dictator threaten us make a difference.

The problem here is... that the same arguments about instability, malice, etc were being applied at the time to say the Soviet leaders of the early nuclear age.

Same is happening now, except the names and countries in question have changed and a new set of entities are being deamonised in the media in not a dissimilar way to the good old McCarthism.

 

But this time there is no way to save face when mutual vulnerability happens, as DPRK is not a great power and as such a potentially worthy opponent the way USSR or PRC were back then. Which drives the infromational fevor further.

Still it is here now and you should be more careful what you wish for - as those military options have consequences, for example US cities burning.

[ikalugin]

And to get back to the problem - the DPRK's build up is in large part the result of US choices, such as killing de-nuclearisation initiatives both in Korea and in Iran.


Still, we are ready for any contingencies, and for us any outcome that does not include stronger US position in Korea (close to our borders) is entirely acceptable.

[Skybird]

Take out boomers, okay. They will find a way to retaliate. Non-traditonal ways. A nukie in Pyöngyan does this and that damage. A nuclear device in Los Angeles does a very different scale of damage. Thats the problem when trading nukie blows with a primtive state - ther eis not much damage you cna do to him, while he can do a lot od dsamage to what is yours. He may be a have-not. That you are rich is what makes you vulnerable.

Today it may be too late to do anything. It should have been done while the evil still was small and weak.
But Western politicians are obsessed with the idea that they need to let it grow strong and come to power first before then deciding that they cannot do anythign anymore. Sports and fairness and all that.

Although already Lao Tse said that the evil must be fought while it still is small and weak.

Now, Iran. Years and years of wasted time so far. I doubt they will learn the trick this time around.

Same mistake, repeated again and again and again. Its hopeless.

[Mr Quatro]

Sky! How would they know?

Just tell the crew it's a torpedo exercise ... point and shoot

Only the CO, XO and sonar know the truth of course you still need the POTUS/Joint Chief's of Staff/COMSUBPAC/Submarine Squadron 1/SUBRON 7 and a few helicopters to look for debris, other than that it would be a breeze.

Everyone shrugs

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Sky! How would they know?

Buddhists have no SSNs, and the Red Cross does not use them either.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Sky! How would they know?

Just tell the crew it's a torpedo exercise ... point and shoot

Only the CO, XO and sonar know the truth of course you still need the POTUS/Joint Chief's of Staff/COMSUBPAC/Submarine Squadron 1/SUBRON 7 and a few helicopters to look for debris, other than that it would be a breeze.

Everyone shrugs

Hence why a NK should be sunk in deep water.

However, I wouldn't put it past Russia to go looking for its wreck to show to the North Koreans.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Take out boomers, okay.

That seems pretty ageist to me.

[Exocet25fr]

[Jimbuna]