The Wolves of Steel: Bugs, glitches and issues thread

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Originally Posted by vdr1981

Same here, but IIRC modders decided to keep that unexpected "feature" probably because in the stock game there weren't any penalties at all for friendly kills...

Isn't reward penalty a thing?

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by gap

Isn't reward penalty a thing?

Not really IMO since torpedoes are mostly - free. Player technically doesn't need any renown to play campaign normally...


I remember that In SH3/4 if you kill friendly unit your campaign will be ended when you get back to port. This is how it should be...Was it like that in stock SH5, I really wouldn't know...

[Texas Red]

Originally Posted by vdr1981

Was it like that in stock SH5, I really wouldn't know...

Actually, in my younger years of playing vanilla SH5, everytime I left Lorient or some other harbor, I would always sink a friendly submarine or vessel just for kicks. I never received any penalty that I can recall of. Though maybe my game crashing every time I pressed "K" for the captains log was a punishment of sorts.

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Originally Posted by vdr1981

Not really IMO since torpedoes are mostly - free. Player technically doesn't need any renown to play campaign normally...


I remember that In SH3/4 if you kill friendly unit your campaign will be ended when you get back to port. This is how it should be...Was it like that in stock SH5, I really wouldn't know...

Well, yes and no.

For sure killing a friendly ship shouldn't candidate you for the iron cross, but on uboat.net there are several accounts of this having actually happened. In most cases, the friendly victim had incurred in one or more infractions which had made her a valid target, but there are a few cases where the attack was the result of mere mistake on the U-boat side. IIRC, in those cases the captains were ordered to falsify their log of the "problematic" sinking, and their career continued as if nothing had happened. During WWII, U-bootwaffe captains were too a rare resource for kicking them off due to a blunder, however tragic or embarrassing that was

As far as the game goes, I think that an heavy renown penalty would be a much fairer and more realistic penalty than... a shortcut to the desktop and possible career end lol. IIRC in some cfg file there are renown multipliers for the killing of enemy, neutral and friendly units but, since we don't know what makes the game to crash when neutral or friendly ships are sunk, my remarks here are purely speculative...

Originally Posted by the beast

Actually, in my younger years of playing vanilla SH5, everytime I left Lorient or some other harbor, I would always sink a friendly submarine or vessel just for kicks. I never received any penalty that I can recall of. Though maybe my game crashing every time I pressed "K" for the captains log was a punishment of sorts.

[vdr1981]

Originally Posted by gap

Well, yes and no.

For sure killing a friendly ship shouldn't candidate you for the iron cross, but on uboat.net there are several accounts of this having actually happened. In most cases, the friendly victim had incurred in one or more infractions which had made her a valid target, but there are a few cases where the attack was the result of mere mistake on the U-boat side. IIRC, in those cases the captains were ordered to falsify their log of the "problematic" sinking, and their career continued as if nothing had happened. During WWII, U-bootwaffe captains were too a rare resource for kicking them off due to a blunder, however tragic or embarrassing that was

As far as the game goes, I think that an heavy renown penalty would be a much fairer and more realistic penalty than... a shortcut to the desktop and possible career end lol. IIRC in some cfg file there are renown multipliers for the killing of enemy, neutral and friendly units but, since we don't know what makes the game to crash when neutral or friendly ships are sunk, my remarks here are purely speculative...

Well I know what would I want to make, something like friendly kill - a warning, second - another warning and third kill- court martial and the end of career. Unfortunately, as far as I know this is not possible in SH5.

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Originally Posted by vdr1981

Well I know what would I want to make, something like friendly kill - a warning, second - another warning and third kill- court martial and the end of career. Unfortunately, as far as I know this is not possible in SH5.

Oh, that would be very nice indeed, but I am afraid that it places us in the field of daydreaming. The maximum I can imagine - and I am not even sure that it can be done - is narrowing down the "friendly sinking ctd" bug and trying to fix it.

After the removal of tonnage requirements, TWoS campaign is heavily based on renown. Indeed, deck gun shells and the most basic torpedo types don't cost any renown. That's fair, as there would be no point in sending a toothless steel wolf out in the ocean. Nonetheless, the most advanced equipment is not cheap and, IIRC, even the assignment of new U-boat commands is based in part on the renown of each captain. Loosing a conspicuous part of their hard earned renown, thus being condemned not to use the newest technology advancements for a long while, would be an harsh enough punishment for our inattentive comrades to induce them not to repeat twice the same mistake