US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And we still wait for the Trumpian minions to show evidence. Wehther it is fraud by mail or fraud by dead people signing ballots- so far it all has been debunked, proven wrong, or has not even seen the attempt to present evidence.

Interesting, how do you debunk something before the evidence is shown?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Interesting, how do you debunk something before the evidence is shown?

Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

You may paint it however you like but the courts are allowing a look. Recounts are being made. There is something there. A grand conspiracy? That only happens when the Russians are involved.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

...There is something there...

A sore loser.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

There is something there.

boooohoooohoooo! Huuuuuuhuuuuhaaaaa!

"Whatever it was that haunted the Carters, was still there, in the air..."

There is not more than at any eleciton ever ybeign done, in the Us, in germany... A ver yfew techncial accidents of irrelevant and menaignless proportions. Unloucky mishaps. The OSCE ob servers were VERY clear on stating that, absolutely clear, leaving no space for doubt. Other international observers also said this. No sign for any attempt of systematic doubts. In two of the most embattled states where they now go after it once again, the superior directors for the election process were republicans, so were the governors of the states. And they too agreed there was and is no fraud attempted by the Democrats in their states.

The only ones seeing fraud and conspiracy, are those who accuse others of what they actually and right now and right in the present try to do themselves. What I see is delusion in them , anger, and bad losers who do even accept to cheat in order to reverse the result.

No election ever goes without small mistakes and technial hickups here and there, it happens all the time, everywhere. The question is the scale of it, whether it is decisive or is below the trashold where oyu say it is the unescaable consequences of human nature being imperfect and Murphy's law striking.

There is no evidence given ba anyone sof ar for systamtic atenmpt to betray during the elction. There is only the very clear evidence for wnatint to betray afterwards, and it is aplenty, and we an see it on tV everyday and we can read it on twitter everday and we can ntoe in social media everyday, driven by hate, rage for not havign won power again.


What we see is a very bad looser trying to win by cheating , abuse, sabotage, lies, agitation and propaganda.

Why I care for it at all?

Simple. If America falls, the fall does not stop at its national borders. Thats why I care, and why we all must care. If the Trumps continue to dominate America, this creates fallout all over the world, and in Europe as well. Its like a radioactive cloud wandering with the wind. There is a reason why Erdoghan, Xi, Putin, still have not congratulated Biden, as diplomatic politeness would have ruled. They know that Trump is one of theirs, and they want him back.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Dead voter billets. Debunked. Live on camera.

Claims before variosu courts. No evidence shown up. When do you give your "evidence" at the latest - if not when you are before the court...?

You have fallen under the spell of their narration, too, Neal. Just saying.

No evidence as of yet ... however there are reports of such actions of 190,000 voters in Wisconsin with the same name of "Jenny Joe"that voted for Biden.

I'm sure it will all work out in the end ... that's the problem with atheism they just don't have the faith

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

... that's the problem with atheism they just don't have the faith

That's the problem with believers, they excuse all manner of bad behavior as God's will.

[mapuc]

As an outsider(non-American)I can't understand what there's to lose by letting this chi...err... President Trump have his will and give him a recounts in these states he require.

As mentioned before..if everything went by the book...there will be no changes not very much, Biden will still have most vote in most of these states.

So let some others do the counting

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Of course there will be recounts and no one is seriously going to prevent it. If the recount makes a turnover, that will be rejected and another recount requested. If Biden still wins, Trump will still not accept it and then it gets fun.

Watch now for all the fun executive orders, firings, executive pardons, and other mischief forthcoming.

[Bilge_Rat]

70% of Republicans do not think the vote was free and fair:


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ections-435488

That works out to what, 50,000,000 voters?

That is what yoy get when you spend 4 years demonizing the other side.

[Bilge_Rat]

Good overview of the most serious allegations of voter fraud:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/09...n-is-how-much/

Pretty obvious Dem officials were gaming the system to make sure Biden won.

Only question is whether anything can be done about it.

P.S. - yes the dead did vote by mail...

On Oct. 9 this year, Fred Stokes Jr. was mailed a ballot in Clark County, Nevada, for the upcoming presidential election just less than 30 days away. Three weeks later, the county confirmed the ballot’s receipt on Halloween and marked it off as “completed.” There remained only one problem with Stokes’ absentee ballot counted on the fall holiday: Fred Stokes Jr. had been dead for three years.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/06...ail-in-ballot/

[Buddahaid]

I read a lot of wishful thinking and here say in that.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

A sore loser.

Lest we forget previous elections had sore losers who wanted recounts and got them. Some that were so sore she did not show up to her victory party that was planned. Some so sore that for 4 years refused to recognize a president. Why is this recount any different?

[Buddahaid]

The difference is the mail in vote and I expected a recount. Trump was calling for a recount before the election was even in.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

The difference is the mail in vote and I expected a recount. Trump was calling for a recount before the election was even in.

Mail in ballots are open to all sorts of issues. Some beginning with the Post Office that in some areas like mine could not deliver a pizza to their own home. So yes, the alarm was sounded before the election began. Specifically in PA were there was an additional 3 days after the closing of the polls to count mail in ballots that arrived after the polls closed. There was plenty of time to get ballots in before Tuesday. Why in the state of PA the residence can't find a mailbox timely is something I can't answer.

Trump campaign has a right to a recount. No different than any other election.