US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 745

August · 11-09-20, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Here's a real slap in the face for all of the men and women that have paid their student loans off:

Even more to the people who never got to go to college at all.

Onkel Neal · 11-09-20, 10:34 PM

It's too late to make a difference, but this was the best debate

Catfish · 11-10-20, 04:35 AM

hahah this is fabulous, will have to rewatch it this evening

Jimbuna · 11-10-20, 05:58 AM

Yes, I liked that

Most of the social media sites, FB for example, are having a field day but that's hardly surprising.

Jimbuna · 11-10-20, 06:00 AM

Jimbuna · 11-10-20, 07:42 AM

President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.

The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities.

Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell says the president has every right to pursue legal challenges.

Democrat Joe Biden was projected as the election's winner, with an unassailable lead, on Saturday.

Biden is moving forward with transition plans and has pledged the most diverse cabinet in history.

Results from the states of Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Alaska are still outstanding.

AVGWarhawk · 11-10-20, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.

The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities.

Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell says the president has every right to pursue legal challenges.

Democrat Joe Biden was projected as the election's winner, with an unassailable lead, on Saturday.

Biden is moving forward with transition plans and has pledged the most diverse cabinet in history.

Results from the states of Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Alaska are still outstanding.

Al Gore was given 2 months to investigate irregularities when running against Bush Jr. Specifically in Florida. Trump has been given less than 3 days. See an issue here?

Biden should be forming a transition team so if and when it is truly confirmed he will be ready to start his stay at the geriatrics ward on Pennsylvania Ave.

Biden will pledge all he likes. He has not yet realized he is a puppet.

Skybird · 11-10-20, 08:36 AM

Fox News (!) again broke off a spectacular lying propaganda volley with a Trumpian agitator. Yesterday it got known that Trumpian officials hinder transition and refuse to cooperate in getting transition processes started. Scorched earth is the motto, obviously. And then accusing Biden of the negative consequences from this.

For the time being, so titled CNN some hours ago, democracy has not won - it merely survived.

Wake up everybody. The US is in a very serious constitutional crisis. Its very heart and system is under constant heavy fire by Trump's side.

These deranged lunatics are starting to get really dangerous.
Their hustle and bustle and the reality-distorting "logic" of their motivation are reminiscent of sectarian cults and activities such as Scientology or - can we say it? - Qanon.

They try to steal the election. And that means they give dogdirt for democracy and election and freedom, they want the power, and they increasingly will to enforce it by any means, by cheat and lie, fraud and betrayal, abuse and threat of violence, intimidation, agitation, propaganda: no matter the costs, and if it costs the nation everything. Its a cult, a sect, the psychological engine driving it is clearly showing similiarities with that of cults and sects and their patterns of psychological control of people and crowds. Well prepared by Trump by expressing his sympathy for QAnon. Thats why he nursed it.

Watch out, America. You think of yourself as being the greatest and finest, and by that a b it over-confident attitude have unlearned to even theoretically imagine the possibility that you could fail and could lose it all. But that is the track you are currently on. Stop the sleepwalking and wake up before you reach the top of the cliff. Its dangerous ground you are sleepwalking on.

Heck, i cannot believe that I predicted somethign like this over ten, maybe even fifteen years ago already. The forum attacked me and laughed about me back then when i said that America is very prone to fall victim to increasing authoritarianism, even fascism, and political fraud with the aim to establish dynastic tyranny. I have over 31 thousand posts, its a bit difficult to find it, else I would link it up. The typical American characteristic of idolozing the poltica leadership as well as loving competiiton in any context at ever yopoprutnity, form sports to argueing, from career to economy, is also inclduing a great vulnerability to always snap for confrotnaiton like a dog snaps after a bone if you hold one before its nose. As I see it, its all like an autoimmune desease that tears America increasingly apart. It digests itself. And oif you wanr of that and try to tell people that this is wha happens, they still do nto belpoeive you, whiloe watchign the Trumpian destruction orgy unmoved and not seeing the relevance. Biden and Harris will have maybe 4 years, yes. But After those four years, the old or the next Trumpian phenomen will raise, even more hate-filled and willing to destroy everythign standing in its way, beating and clubbing on america even worse than Trump already did. The Republican party is turning into a sect - and people do not see it.

No, I see no chance for things turning better. They will turn worse. And the Republicans will be the driving force behind it if they do not eject the Trump clan from their rows and allow them to further hijack the party.

Take me by my words.

AVGWarhawk · 11-10-20, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Even more to the people who never got to go to college at all.

The Dems like to scream equality and justice. So yes, what about those that paid their loans? What about those that did not have an opportunity at all? Should a check be cut just because? What about those that were able to pay for college with help from family and working? Do these folks receive money back?

Free college is a pipe dream because nothing is free.

Jimbuna · 11-10-20, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Al Gore was given 2 months to investigate irregularities when running against Bush Jr. Specifically in Florida. Trump has been given less than 3 days. See an issue here?

Biden should be forming a transition team so if and when it is truly confirmed he will be ready to start his stay at the geriatrics ward on Pennsylvania Ave.

Biden will pledge all he likes. He has not yet realized he is a puppet.

Onkel Neal · 11-10-20, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The Dems like to scream equality and justice. So yes, what about those that paid their loans? What about those that did not have an opportunity at all? Should a check be cut just because? What about those that were able to pay for college with help from family and working? Do these folks receive money back?

Free college is a pipe dream because nothing is free.

Tell me about it. I imagine I spent quite a lot on college costs, will I get it back? Maybe I should have borrowed the money and not paid it back, then I would be sitting pretty, getting rewarded for foolish and irresponsible decisions.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud.

I keep reading the MSM calls Trump's claims "unsubstantiated". They seem terrified.

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The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities.

MSM has to add "unusual". How about just straight reporting, huh? If either side has some suspicion of vote irregularities, why not investigate? Why malign any investigation? Won't an investigation substantiate claims or dismiss them?

Maybe this is some silly bs by Trump, so let them investigate. The Dems sure spent a ton of money and time investigating Russian collusion. If it's all above board, laugh in his face when they cannot find significant fraud.

Whether you are for Trump or against, can anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing from the MSM?

AVGWarhawk · 11-10-20, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

AVGWarhawk · 11-10-20, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I keep reading the MSM calls Trump's claims "unsubstantiated". They seem terrified.

MSM has to add "unusual". How about just straight reporting, huh? If either side has some suspicion of vote irregularities, why not investigate? Why malign any investigation? Won't an investigation substantiate claims or dismiss them?

Maybe this is some silly bs by Trump, so let them investigate. The Dems sure spent a ton of money and time investigating Russian collusion. If it's all above board, laugh in his face when they cannot find significant fraud.

Whether you are for Trump or against, can anyone else see the same thing I'm seeing from the MSM?

MSM and the like should be reporting repeatedly that the investigation should be conducted. How else will the nomination of Biden be legitimized? Does Biden and co want to be known as the administration that stole an election?

Let the recount be made. It is not like we don't have the time.

nikimcbee · 11-10-20, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Al Gore was given 2 months to investigate irregularities when running against Bush Jr. Specifically in Florida. Trump has been given less than 3 days. See an issue here?

Biden should be forming a transition team so if and when it is truly confirmed he will be ready to start his stay at the geriatrics ward on Pennsylvania Ave.

Biden will pledge all he likes. He has not yet realized he is a puppet.

ALgore......

Now there's an inconvenient bit of historical data. We need to get a pool going on how long corn pop lasts, before he steps down.

Skybird · 11-10-20, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

MSM has to add "unusual". How about just straight reporting, huh? If either side has some suspicion of vote irregularities, why not investigate? Why malign any investigation? Won't an investigation substantiate claims or dismiss them?

It IS un usual.

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Third, Attorney General William Barr has proven once again that he is willing to tweak the rules of his house to suit Trump's wishes. He explicitly consented to federal prosecutors investigating allegations of election fraud. Since there is no national electoral law of the federal government, but the individual states are responsible for organizing the election according to their own laws, this is not common. Barr lifted the rule that the federal judiciary will only act openly after the states have submitted their official results by December 8th. The responsible department head in the ministry resigned in protest against Barr's order.

And we still wait for the Trumpian minions to show evidence. Wehther it is fraud by mail or fraud by dead people signing ballots- so far it all has been debunked, proven wrong, or has not even seen the attempt to present evidence.

The only fraud we see is the one big fraud in aciton right now: stealing the election win from Biden and sabotaging anythging he could do.

I already start to feel a new horror for the time in three years, when all this will begin again - just on a level much worse.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,125 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	President Donald Trump is refusing to admit losing the election, making unsubstantiated claims about voter fraud. The US justice department has given federal prosecutors an unusual go-ahead to investigate alleged vote irregularities. Top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell says the president has every right to pursue legal challenges. Democrat Joe Biden was projected as the election's winner, with an unassailable lead, on Saturday. Biden is moving forward with transition plans and has pledged the most diverse cabinet in history. Results from the states of Georgia, Arizona, North Carolina and Alaska are still outstanding. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,735 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Fox News (!) again broke off a spectacular lying propaganda volley with a Trumpian agitator. Yesterday it got known that Trumpian officials hinder transition and refuse to cooperate in getting transition processes started. Scorched earth is the motto, obviously. And then accusing Biden of the negative consequences from this. For the time being, so titled CNN some hours ago, democracy has not won - it merely survived. Wake up everybody. The US is in a very serious constitutional crisis. Its very heart and system is under constant heavy fire by Trump's side. These deranged lunatics are starting to get really dangerous. Their hustle and bustle and the reality-distorting "logic" of their motivation are reminiscent of sectarian cults and activities such as Scientology or - can we say it? - Qanon. They try to steal the election. And that means they give dogdirt for democracy and election and freedom, they want the power, and they increasingly will to enforce it by any means, by cheat and lie, fraud and betrayal, abuse and threat of violence, intimidation, agitation, propaganda: no matter the costs, and if it costs the nation everything. Its a cult, a sect, the psychological engine driving it is clearly showing similiarities with that of cults and sects and their patterns of psychological control of people and crowds. Well prepared by Trump by expressing his sympathy for QAnon. Thats why he nursed it. Watch out, America. You think of yourself as being the greatest and finest, and by that a b it over-confident attitude have unlearned to even theoretically imagine the possibility that you could fail and could lose it all. But that is the track you are currently on. Stop the sleepwalking and wake up before you reach the top of the cliff. Its dangerous ground you are sleepwalking on. Heck, i cannot believe that I predicted somethign like this over ten, maybe even fifteen years ago already. The forum attacked me and laughed about me back then when i said that America is very prone to fall victim to increasing authoritarianism, even fascism, and political fraud with the aim to establish dynastic tyranny. I have over 31 thousand posts, its a bit difficult to find it, else I would link it up. The typical American characteristic of idolozing the poltica leadership as well as loving competiiton in any context at ever yopoprutnity, form sports to argueing, from career to economy, is also inclduing a great vulnerability to always snap for confrotnaiton like a dog snaps after a bone if you hold one before its nose. As I see it, its all like an autoimmune desease that tears America increasingly apart. It digests itself. And oif you wanr of that and try to tell people that this is wha happens, they still do nto belpoeive you, whiloe watchign the Trumpian destruction orgy unmoved and not seeing the relevance. Biden and Harris will have maybe 4 years, yes. But After those four years, the old or the next Trumpian phenomen will raise, even more hate-filled and willing to destroy everythign standing in its way, beating and clubbing on america even worse than Trump already did. The Republican party is turning into a sect - and people do not see it. No, I see no chance for things turning better. They will turn worse. And the Republicans will be the driving force behind it if they do not eject the Trump clan from their rows and allow them to further hijack the party. Take me by my words. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.