Mark 16 wake

Bubblehead1980 · 10-16-20, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Mk 16 definitely leaves a wake as it uses a combustion engine.

Makes sense, but have read it left very little or no wake. Would that be inaccurate?

KaleunMarco · 10-16-20, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Makes sense, but have read it left very little or no wake. Would that be inaccurate?

the only thing that i can think of to convert the Mk16 to act like it has no wake is to borrow the wake data from the Mk18. i believe that data is stored in the Torpedoes_US.dat file although i cannot find the parameter that controls the visible wake. my eyes are crossed at comparing the Mk16 to the Mk18.

ETR3(SS) · 10-17-20, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Makes sense, but have read it left very little or no wake. Would that be inaccurate?

I would say so, yes. Though I am interested if you run across that source again.

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

the only thing that i can think of to convert the Mk16 to act like it has no wake is to borrow the wake data from the Mk18. i believe that data is stored in the Torpedoes_US.dat file although i cannot find the parameter that controls the visible wake. my eyes are crossed at comparing the Mk16 to the Mk18.

The entry in the dat file is linked to a ShipWake entry in the sim file. There are 6 US torpedoes and only 4 entries for a ShipWake, remove a ShipWake entry and you remove it for in game.

propbeanie · 10-17-20, 09:20 AM

NavWeaps Torpedoes of the United States of America - World War II

"The Westinghouse version of the captured German G7e. Had the advantage of being trackless..."

I thought the 18 was wakeless in TMO, as well as FotRSU?? I haven't been watching them very closely lately though...

- I am not certain of the enemy Visual AI and their acuity for picking up the torps though, since they still "dodge" the wake-less... like superman, able to use their X-Ray vision, or maybe their super-hearing ability as soon as they are fired... ??

Gray Lensman · 10-17-20, 10:36 AM

Interesting read here: (original Mk16 could go much faster than 46 kts)

http://www.uss-irex.info/docs/doc-69.html

KaleunMarco · 10-18-20, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

The entry in the dat file is linked to a ShipWake entry in the sim file. There are 6 US torpedoes and only 4 entries for a ShipWake, remove a ShipWake entry and you remove it for in game.

thank you for this hint. i have been trying to figure out wakes for quite some time.

KaleunMarco · 10-18-20, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

The entry in the dat file is linked to a ShipWake entry in the sim file. There are 6 US torpedoes and only 4 entries for a ShipWake, remove a ShipWake entry and you remove it for in game.

let me ask you this, since you are adept enough to know about torpedo wakes.

i am playing We Dive at Dawn and would like to add the Mk27 to the only torpedo available which is the Mark 16. there is only one sub type available, the Triton class.
i've ensured that the Mk27 is available in the Triton.upc and i have added the torpedo into the Ammunition.upc.
the Torpedos_US files are the same as in Stock-SH4 so there was nothing to add/change there.
the Mk27 will display in the torpedo selection screen while we are in port so i can add it to the inventory.
however when i actually fire it, SH4 goes CTD.
clearly, i am missing at least one more item.
any help you provide will be appreciated.

ETR3(SS) · 11-01-20, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

let me ask you this, since you are adept enough to know about torpedo wakes.

i am playing We Dive at Dawn and would like to add the Mk27 to the only torpedo available which is the Mark 16. there is only one sub type available, the Triton class.
i've ensured that the Mk27 is available in the Triton.upc and i have added the torpedo into the Ammunition.upc.
the Torpedos_US files are the same as in Stock-SH4 so there was nothing to add/change there.
the Mk27 will display in the torpedo selection screen while we are in port so i can add it to the inventory.
however when i actually fire it, SH4 goes CTD.
clearly, i am missing at least one more item.
any help you provide will be appreciated.

Sorry it took me so long to get back. You need to edit the entry in the weapons.upc as well for the torpedo tube used under AmmoTypesAccepted=.

KaleunMarco · 11-01-20, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Sorry it took me so long to get back. You need to edit the entry in the weapons.upc as well for the torpedo tube used under AmmoTypesAccepted=.

yeah, the Mk27 was there already.
and i copied the Ammo.UPC entry from Stock.
i updated the Submarine.UPC to make it available.
The US_Torpedo.Sim, Zon already had the entries because the Brit subs are sailing under the SH4-US Subs models.

i am missing something simple.

THANKS for your help!

Bubblehead1980 · 10-18-20, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

I would say so, yes. Though I am interested if you run across that source again.

The entry in the dat file is linked to a ShipWake entry in the sim file. There are 6 US torpedoes and only 4 entries for a ShipWake, remove a ShipWake entry and you remove it for in game.

I am searching for it, it was over five years ago, had it bookmarked but lost that when old pc crashed. Could have sworn it was navweaps but checked it already.

Surely, the wake would not be as noticeable as say a Mark 14?

Gray Lensman · 10-19-20, 02:17 PM

I did some searching in regards to the Mk 16 wake and came up empty. However, it's propulsion system did in fact differ from the Mk 14 in that the Mk 14 used a wet heater steam turbine and the Mk 16 used a Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine, so it's quite possible the Mk16 wake was diminished in comparison to the Mk 14. I tried searching out "Navol", and "Hydrogen Peroxide" turbines separately with No Joy.

I did run across some side facts that were interesting. One, being the Mk16 had the largest explosive charge of any torpedo designed and was used in ASROC launchers post WW2. The second being that even though the Mk16 were designed near the end of WW2, none were ever used during WW2.

Nisgeis · 10-31-20, 12:49 PM

Is there another torpedo which exhibits the same behaviour you want, US or Gemran? It will be something in the .dat .sim or (more unlikely) .zon file probably.

Brightstar6 · 06-01-22, 05:09 PM

If you want wakeless torps just go to your data/misc/torp wake..And delete it..Works for me..

10-17-20, 09:20 AM	#4
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	NavWeaps Torpedoes of the United States of America - World War II "The Westinghouse version of the captured German G7e. Had the advantage of being trackless..." I thought the 18 was wakeless in TMO, as well as FotRSU?? I haven't been watching them very closely lately though... - I am not certain of the enemy Visual AI and their acuity for picking up the torps though, since they still "dodge" the wake-less... like superman, able to use their X-Ray vision, or maybe their super-hearing ability as soon as they are fired... ?? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

10-17-20, 10:36 AM	#5
Gray Lensman Frogman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 308 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	Interesting read here: (original Mk16 could go much faster than 46 kts) http://www.uss-irex.info/docs/doc-69.html __________________ . Member since February 2007 Wargaming since 1971 (1st game Avalon Hill's Stalingrad) Hobby/Gaming Computng since 1977 (TRS-80) (adhoc programming & game modding ever since)

10-19-20, 02:17 PM	#11
Gray Lensman Frogman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: USA Posts: 308 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	I did some searching in regards to the Mk 16 wake and came up empty. However, it's propulsion system did in fact differ from the Mk 14 in that the Mk 14 used a wet heater steam turbine and the Mk 16 used a Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine, so it's quite possible the Mk16 wake was diminished in comparison to the Mk 14. I tried searching out "Navol", and "Hydrogen Peroxide" turbines separately with No Joy. I did run across some side facts that were interesting. One, being the Mk16 had the largest explosive charge of any torpedo designed and was used in ASROC launchers post WW2. The second being that even though the Mk16 were designed near the end of WW2, none were ever used during WW2. __________________ . Member since February 2007 Wargaming since 1971 (1st game Avalon Hill's Stalingrad) Hobby/Gaming Computng since 1977 (TRS-80) (adhoc programming & game modding ever since)

10-31-20, 12:49 PM	#12
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Is there another torpedo which exhibits the same behaviour you want, US or Gemran? It will be something in the .dat .sim or (more unlikely) .zon file probably. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

06-01-22, 05:09 PM	#13
Brightstar6 Seaman Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 38 Downloads: 227 Uploads: 0	No torpedo wake If you want wakeless torps just go to your data/misc/torp wake..And delete it..Works for me..