GER politics thread - Page 67

Dowly · 06-21-20, 07:59 AM

This is better suited for the GER politics thread:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=229749

skidman · 06-21-20, 09:00 AM

Sure, the left. Because Skybird's crystal ball says so? Almost as profound as the AFD spokesman who blamed the left and (of course) the migrants. One-dimensional BS.

Catfish · 06-21-20, 09:14 AM

There just was a press conference, lots of young hooligans entering the city first time since months for the weekend, all discos and entertainment facilities closed etc., so seems they took to scrapping and rampaging. Obviously not politically motivated and very dumb and aggressive.

The right wing accuses the left wing, the good old conservatives have an axe to grind with all they perceive as "left" and the '68 hippie movement, so it must be the evil "left" with "their guns and bombs", and another political world view.
But as they sing in a german song "Wo sind all die Linksradikalen mit dem Schießgewehr?"

The german "Verfassungsschutz" by the way has been founded by the US OSS, to only observe and control the german left wing and fight upcoming communist tendencies after the war. They still have their own right-wing agenda, lots of scandals with nazis after WW2 in highest positions, and even assassinations while blaming "the left". No one with a clear mind would trust them.

Skybird · 06-21-20, 09:31 AM

It was the police in stuttgart talking of the "event scene" being responsible for the riots, and that scene traditonally is traditionally left-leaning, "progressive", anarchistic and anything but right-winged or conservative.

It was the Bundesverfassungsschutz saying the left is now ready to accept the death of people that get caught in their violent riots and the death of policemen and medics, firefighters, and even wills targetted killings of political "enemies" as they define them, which in plain german means: murder.

I just reported what the police and the BVS said. But maybe you just do not like them saying that. These days, only violence by the right is acceptable to be talked of. Violence from the left and the right has always been judged by double standards in Germany.

iambecomelife · 06-21-20, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I must say I'm rather disappointed in the creation of this thread if my initial suspicion that this is a retaliatory response to what has recently been hotly debated in the US Politics thread turns out to be correct.

Um, racially I belong to two of the groups that the Germans wanted to exterminate, so this is kind of important to me (granted, much less Jewish ancestry than African, but it is there). And I've been researching this topic for some years, having read both "Ordinary Men" and "Hitler's Willing Executioners". So my interest predates the dust-up on the forums. By more than a decade. I have made several internet posts on this issue outside of Subsim….I usually do an annual tribute to Anne Frank because she and I share the same birthday (Sailor Steve, who knows me outside the forums, can vouch for me).

And before anyone talks about me badmouthing Germans, I am an opponent of Goldhagen's school of thought (Hitler's Willing Executioners) because I believe the book seems to malign Germans as uniquely evil, while not adequately explaining why so many European Christians in the occupied territories collaborated with the Nazis.

I'll thank you in advance for your understanding, Jimbuna.

mapuc · 06-21-20, 11:18 AM

From personal experience I know that friends some times have difficult to believe what one have poste. The best thing is therefore to provide a video clip of the event(s)

Finding such a clip is sometimes impossible.

Markus

Jimbuna · 06-21-20, 12:02 PM

So should we merge with the German Politics thread as previously suggested by Dowly?

August · 06-21-20, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Let's blame others.
Sounds familiar to anyone?

Definitely. You and your lefty friends play that game all the time.

Catfish · 06-21-20, 12:47 PM

Good that you and your righty friends never play that game.

mapuc · 06-21-20, 12:49 PM

Both side play that game.

See it almost daily where my friends claim they belong to the correct side, saying they are peaceful and an understanding group -while they point fingers at the other side, claiming they are violent and are detriment of the country.

And both side would - prevent people or politicians from the opposite side to speak

Markus

August · 06-21-20, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Good that you and your righty friends never play that game.

Not nearly as often as the left does and then usually only in response to something your side has done.

iambecomelife · 06-21-20, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

So should we merge with the German Politics thread as previously suggested by Dowly?

That's fine with me. Everyone else, cool down (yeah, I know I'm one to talk).

Skybird · 06-21-20, 02:12 PM

In London they have smeared (they did, or did I misunderstand it?) and threaten to tear down the monument of Churchill.

In Göttingen, Ruhr area, Northrhine Westphalia, they have unveiled a monument statue of Lenin. Not in some forsaken place in Eastern Germany, no - but in the former West Germany.

What have communists and nazis in common? Three things. Both are socialists, are left. Both want totalitarianism, centralism, planned economy. Both are immune to learn the lessons from history, ever.

Sign of the times. Some weeks ago, in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern a member of an anti-capitalist platform named "Antikapitalistische Platform", which gets observed by the Verfassungsschutz as being hostile to the constitutional order and of which this woman is co-founder, has been voted as judge into the state's constitutional court. In the GDR, she worked for the SED regime and since then also has been shown to have abused her influence there for enriching herself at the cost of other people in cortrupt activities. A corrupt and declared anti-capitalistic SED profiteer who rejects to say sorry for the SED regime's injustice, and relatives the murderings at the wall until today - now being constitutional judge at a state'S highest court in contemporary Germany. The explicit legal demand that constitutional judges must be - no ifs and no buts - strictly loyal to the constitutional order of the republic, has been fundamentally violated - and all parties, including the regional CDU, agreed to it.

The old links and ties and connections still work, you know. In Meck-Vor, and is Saxony and Thuringia as well.

Catfish · 06-21-20, 02:20 PM

This action is so dumb, words fail me

Catfish · 06-21-20, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Not nearly as often as the left does and then usually only in response to something your side has done.

Always and usually. No, it is always the right wing that begins, and the left only responds.
I am waiting who stops first, it also serves my post count

Seriously, best put it into the Germany thread.

06-21-20, 09:00 AM	#992
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Sure, the left. Because Skybird's crystal ball says so? Almost as profound as the AFD spokesman who blamed the left and (of course) the migrants. One-dimensional BS. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

06-21-20, 09:14 AM	#993
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	There just was a press conference, lots of young hooligans entering the city first time since months for the weekend, all discos and entertainment facilities closed etc., so seems they took to scrapping and rampaging. Obviously not politically motivated and very dumb and aggressive. The right wing accuses the left wing, the good old conservatives have an axe to grind with all they perceive as "left" and the '68 hippie movement, so it must be the evil "left" with "their guns and bombs", and another political world view. But as they sing in a german song "Wo sind all die Linksradikalen mit dem Schießgewehr?" The german "Verfassungsschutz" by the way has been founded by the US OSS, to only observe and control the german left wing and fight upcoming communist tendencies after the war. They still have their own right-wing agenda, lots of scandals with nazis after WW2 in highest positions, and even assassinations while blaming "the left". No one with a clear mind would trust them. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-21-20, 09:31 AM	#994
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,744 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It was the police in stuttgart talking of the "event scene" being responsible for the riots, and that scene traditonally is traditionally left-leaning, "progressive", anarchistic and anything but right-winged or conservative. It was the Bundesverfassungsschutz saying the left is now ready to accept the death of people that get caught in their violent riots and the death of policemen and medics, firefighters, and even wills targetted killings of political "enemies" as they define them, which in plain german means: murder. I just reported what the police and the BVS said. But maybe you just do not like them saying that. These days, only violence by the right is acceptable to be talked of. Violence from the left and the right has always been judged by double standards in Germany. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-21-20, 12:02 PM	#997
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,168 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	So should we merge with the German Politics thread as previously suggested by Dowly? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-21-20, 12:47 PM	#999
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Good that you and your righty friends never play that game. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-21-20, 07:59 AM	#991
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,056 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	This is better suited for the GER politics thread: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=229749

06-21-20, 11:18 AM	#996
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,592 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	From personal experience I know that friends some times have difficult to believe what one have poste. The best thing is therefore to provide a video clip of the event(s) Finding such a clip is sometimes impossible. Markus

06-21-20, 12:49 PM	#1000
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,592 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Both side play that game. See it almost daily where my friends claim they belong to the correct side, saying they are peaceful and an understanding group -while they point fingers at the other side, claiming they are violent and are detriment of the country. And both side would - prevent people or politicians from the opposite side to speak Markus

06-21-20, 02:12 PM	#1003
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,744 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In London they have smeared (they did, or did I misunderstand it?) and threaten to tear down the monument of Churchill. In Göttingen, Ruhr area, Northrhine Westphalia, they have unveiled a monument statue of Lenin. Not in some forsaken place in Eastern Germany, no - but in the former West Germany. What have communists and nazis in common? Three things. Both are socialists, are left. Both want totalitarianism, centralism, planned economy. Both are immune to learn the lessons from history, ever. Sign of the times. Some weeks ago, in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern a member of an anti-capitalist platform named "Antikapitalistische Platform", which gets observed by the Verfassungsschutz as being hostile to the constitutional order and of which this woman is co-founder, has been voted as judge into the state's constitutional court. In the GDR, she worked for the SED regime and since then also has been shown to have abused her influence there for enriching herself at the cost of other people in cortrupt activities. A corrupt and declared anti-capitalistic SED profiteer who rejects to say sorry for the SED regime's injustice, and relatives the murderings at the wall until today - now being constitutional judge at a state'S highest court in contemporary Germany. The explicit legal demand that constitutional judges must be - no ifs and no buts - strictly loyal to the constitutional order of the republic, has been fundamentally violated - and all parties, including the regional CDU, agreed to it. The old links and ties and connections still work, you know. In Meck-Vor, and is Saxony and Thuringia as well. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-21-20 at 02:35 PM.

06-21-20, 02:20 PM	#1004
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This action is so dumb, words fail me __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.