GER politics thread

[Catfish]

^ sigh. The new far right with the usual diatribe. Author at the Kopp publishing company. Seems some have waited for their chance.
You would not believe that Hitler was voted to power by Nazis?

Please do not believe that Germany as a whole believes the nonsense Skybird quotes.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

You would not believe that Hitler was voted to power by Nazis?

From my history reading and watching history program and have talked to an elderly German male.

I have come to the conclusion:

He got votes from ordinary German's who saw him as their saviour. They were in despair.

Well it's more to it than that.

Markus

[Skybird]

According to recent OECD numbers, Germany has topped Belgium as the nation with the highest tax and contribution rate globally, making Germany now the number one in the world. Hooray! Nowhere else you have to pay so much in taxes and distributions, than in Germany.

In Germany you also have to pay the highest prices for electricty in the whole Western world. Most other countries are much cheaper. Thanks to the wanted design of the system, the more renewable energy gets produced on a day by wind and sun, the more the household customer has to pay - not less.

Funny people, these Germans. And they cannot get enough of it!

[Skybird]

Germany finally - FINALLY - bans Hezbollah activities in Germany. The step is many years overdue, imo.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-governm...try/a-53287126

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Germany finally - FINALLY - bans Hezbollah activities in Germany. The step is many years overdue, imo.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-governm...try/a-53287126

UNBELIEVABLE!!

[Skybird]

Top German court says ECB bond buying scheme partially contravenes the law

https://www.dw.com/en/top-german-cou...law/a-53333374

Unfortunately - and intentionally - they waited so long that facts got created and nobodfy seriously thinks the ECB will now stop buying and financing states (which by the joke of Maastrict is forbidden). Financing and maintaining states has become the main purpose of the ECB.

It also is not to be expected that the german govenrment or the German Bundesbank will start to confront the ECB.

Nothing will change.

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52674809

Other nations's flags - okay, so be it.

But the EU flag...? Serious...? Its not a state (or so they say)...!

Sounds to me as if the narcissistic scum in Brussel wants to make itself even more untouchable. They also wanted to make any criticism of EU policies and actions a punishable crime if the criticism was not laid out before a EU gremium ruling it to be valid criticism first. While this ambition seems to have gotten stuck since longer time, it never was formally withdrawn.

Recently the German Constitutional High Court ruled that certain decisions of the European High Court were not understandable and demanded the European court to explain its legal basis by which it excuses de facto state financing by the ECB (forbidden by the jokes of Maastricht) more thoroughly. The European court quickly started to try mobbing the German court, demanding unconditional subordination in every caseof current or future legal dispute (which by the present status simply is not commandable by the treaties and laws regulating the EU court, while fact is that there are limits to the European court's demands for sure and that all states reserved certain rights for themselves on which the Euroean court has no word: its power to demand national high courts to obey, has limits (that it ignores withiout legal basis for this). The EU commission'S Super-Uschi immediately came to the court's rescue and threatens to start legal proceedings against germany if it sticks to these laws and does not call the German Hogh court back.

A special kind of coup d'etat is what the EU is trying, since years, against everybody. To hell with it.

The president of the German court meanhwile has struck back at the EU, reiterating what the ruling means (surprisingly little), and that the EU is once again in danger to overstep its mandate. He gave no room to it. But German politicians already started to pave the way for later signalling surrender without being called out for it than. Like the Germans most of the times do: first posing as being resistent, and later, when grass has grown over things, silently falling back. I think some time in the future the Bundestag will release new legislation that cuts back the German courts powers and in fact makes it a EU subordinate. We should dismantle it then and the whole bundestag, they are of no use for anything then.

Europeans, resist the EU. There is no EU people, there is no EU as a country or state, and there is no EU unifomrity. von der Leyens claim that the eU must protect itself as a sovereign only shows where she wants to move - but where the EU (still) is not: its not a sovereign. And this itches Brussel's monumental, totalitarian ego.

One thing is certain: the German flag law is a great day for the AfD. They will win many new followers with this nonsense. Maybe they would not have problems with a ban on burnign national flags of anybody. But the EU flag - that is somethign that will get them new fans.

[Skybird]

Oh those Germans.


https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelli...any/a-53492342


Hopeless.


"Wollt ihr die TOTALE Moral?"


"Jaaaaaaaaahhh...!!!"

[August]

92% of left-wing activists live with their parents and one in three is unemployed, study of Berlin protesters finds

The vast majority of left-wing protesters arrested on suspicion of politically-fuelled offences in Berlin are young men who live with their parents, a new report found.
The figures, which were published in daily newspaper Bild revealed that 873 suspects were investigated by authorities between 2003 and 2013.
Of these 84 per cent were men, and 72 per cent were aged between 18 and 29.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...MpMmkHBrJ5GKJo

Answers a lot of questions....

[Skybird]

On one of the most megalomaniac idiocies of contemporary German politics: the so-called "energy transition". My blood is boiling over when thinking on what the politcal freaks are doing there.

The energy transition has a weak point. This has been found out by a commission of experts set up by the government. How now, the energy transition and a weak point? That can't be, after all, Germany is a pioneer and Minister Altmaier says: "The whole world is emulating us", a single success story. And Professor Claudi Kemfert has even scientifically confirmed this. And now a non-existent "weak point" should disappear?

So far, electricity customers and taxpayers have invested roughly half a trillion euros (500,000,000,000 euros) in the energy transition. Every German, from babies to old people, has been forced to pay over 6,000 euros for the energy transition in recent years. And now experts appointed by the federal government are finding that the government's measures are "too small, short-term and not interlinked", which "stands in the way of a cost-effective climate policy". Too good German: The energy turnaround is one bog. But the money is gone, now others have it.

Anyone who has criticized the botched energy policy has been a climate denier and was diagnosed as mentally ill. Other critics were labeled as energy haters and were AFD-nah-zi. The specifications for the energy transition ultimately came from “experts”. Renowned members of nature conservation groups, BUND, Greenpeace, Potsdam's "climate researchers", eco experts, wind and solar lobbyists and church representatives sat on the commissions appointed by the Federal Government. The créme de la créme of the German environmental lobby - a prankster who thinks of intention.

The problem of Merkel's commissionitis was actually not the result, the problem was the selection of the commission members and their tasks. New German means something like: "**** in - **** out". Consequently, the nuclear energy exit came out with a simultaneous coal exit. But the government is happy, now that it’s going wrong, it’s fine. She has outsourced responsibility for her political botch to commissions at the expense of the citizens. This is a typical “Merkel number”: Now it just happened. Can happen.

The Federal Government's experts from the "independent commission of experts for monitoring the energy transition" now recommend that the tiresome EEG and CHP levy be completely removed and the electricity tax halved. To finance the energy turnaround, around 25 billion euros per year from the EEG and CHP surcharges and 6.7 billion euros from electricity tax were lost - readers finally know where their money is going.

The experts of the federal government would not be experts of the federal government if they would not recommend the government a hefty CO2 tax increase of 50 euros per tonne of CO2, which should apply wherever fossil fuels are used: from the power plant to the Petrol station to the heating system, actually to the breakfast roll.

But that's not enough to plug the eternal hole in the state's energy transition. For this reason, taxpayers' money should be used in a “transition period” to fill the financing gaps in order to continue to fill the pockets of eco-winners and to relieve electricity customers.

When I hear "Relieve electricity customers", all warning lamps come on. The federal experts say: "With a little driver with efficient heating" the bottom line is still 30 euros relief. That's something, Hosanna! However, for the de-tied citizens who are not "little drivers" but commuters and the tenants who cannot afford "efficient heating", this means nothing more than additional costs: right pocket, left pocket, even more energy rip-off. Because taxpayers or electricity customers are usually the same people.

The journalist Daniel Wetzel, whom I highly value, issued a devastating testimony to the Federal Government's Welt-Online: "The citizen pays for political irresponsibility". There is nothing to add. The energy turnaround, however, continues to advance as long as the number Michel can put up with it. What does the Corona economic crisis bother us - we simply rename crises as "challenges".

Manfred Haferburg

The author is nuclear physicist, was thrown into a Stasi prison in the GDR for singing protest songs, and after reunification worked as inspector of nuclear powerplants internationally. He fled from Germany after needing to witness the SED renaming itself into PDS and getting away with it.

And the following is the comment by Daniel Wetzel whom he referred to in the last paragraph, released in Die Welt, 3 days ago.

A current report underlines that the German coal phase-out was far too expensive. Instead, the market forces should have been allowed to take effect. Chancellor Merkel's tactics once again prove irresponsible.

Almost everything that has a place in climate protection was represented in the coal commission of the federal government: members of Naturschutzring, BUND and Greenpeace sat next to Potsdam's climate researchers, eco-experts, green electricity lobbyists and "representatives of the affected" from the open-cast regions. In the end, the letter of recommendation from the coal commission bore the signatures of almost the entire German environmental lobby. Such a concentrated eco-competence must have got the best possible out of climate protection?

An assumption that refers to a new scientific report in the realm of fairy tales. In its current commentary, the independent commission of experts on monitoring the energy transition does not leave the German coal phase-out in good stead. All the market interventions and compensation payments are superfluous, overpriced, counterproductive.

The phase-out of coal would become reality much earlier, and the costs for taxpayers would be much lower if you had simply let the European emissions trading scheme, i.e. the market, do the work. "Reworking" is the recommendation of the monitoring commission on the coal phase-out law in diplomatic restraint. The content of their analysis would also allow a more drastic formulation: Into the bin!

It is not surprising that the ecological left, which is so strongly represented in the coal commission, can only think in terms of state interventionism and does not trust market-based solutions. The error chain starts earlier in the system.

It is the clients of the coal commission in the ministries, the civil servants of environmental and energy politicians who gave the wrong job: to develop options for intervention instead of letting market forces work. Bad advice that is now becoming expensive for taxpayers and energy consumers.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's easy tactic of outsourcing the solution of difficult conflicts of interest to "society-wide consensus" to commissions has once again proven to be irresponsible.

[iambecomelife]

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...vivors/586357/

“Our culture of remembrance is crumbling,” Foreign Minister Heiko Maas wrote in January in the German newspaper Welt am Sonntag. “Right-wing populist provocateurs diminish the Holocaust, knowing that such a breach of taboo will garner maximum attention.”

They also point out that many camp survivors have died or become too infirm to continue speaking tours. Tragically, this comes just as German nationalists are trying to minimize historical events ... either through "scholarship" or inflamatory rhetoric.

[Catfish]

^ yes, and it all has been fuelled by alleged perpetrations from outside, immigrants, Corona virus, all things bad must of course come from the bloody foreigners.. perfect time to claim that the past has to be forgotten, or to try to build up a concocted history like "it was not all that bad". Foreigners, you know.. it is all perpetrated to us by others, by the EU, we lost our sovereignty to the US, to the EU, to whatever.. but never is it our own guilt. Let's blame others.
Sounds familiar to anyone?
At least the jewish world conspiracy is not on the table right now, but just wait a bit.

I take it that the german antifa movement (founded here) is a reaction to not forget those things, since the right wing is getting stronger in Germany since a decade. The german "antifa" demonstrates a lot, but no looting or criminal action. They are often confused with the "black block" often joining demonstrations and trying to escalate, being responsibe for criminal action.
Trump seems to prove the german AfD and right-wing organisations right, it is now possible to change to a governmental right wing course and US "conservative" (lmao) media support it, as do China and Russia with their "strong leaders." And the maybe overblown critics of the US here are just a helpless try to prevent happening the same - here.

I write "maybe overblown" because even if things seem dark in the US the whole past and basic foundation of, and in, the US will most probably not lead to a situation like here back then in the 1930ies. The tradition, basic understanding and ideas are basically some of freedom and civil rights that are self-evident to every US citizen.
This is still different here, and all that are not right-wing of course fear the situation to escalate.

Or i could just say the article posted above is just the work of the loony left, to discredit the right wing. Some would.

edit: oops sorry, i thought this was a serious post, but it just seems an extension oft the closed thread and blame Germany because it DARES to criticize TRUMP, or the US, or the RIGHT WING. Welcome to my ignore list.
I will still let it stand.

[iambecomelife]

"i thought this was a serious post"

I certainly think it's serious. Lack of self-critique, hate for "the other", distorting history, and demonizing of political opponents is exactly what led to extremism in the 20th Century.

[Jimbuna]

I must say I'm rather disappointed in the creation of this thread if my initial suspicion that this is a retaliatory response to what has recently been hotly debated in the US Politics thread turns out to be correct.

[Skybird]

Hot nights, summer in the city...


https://www.dw.com/en/germany-riots-...art/a-53886746


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53126464


The riots come just days after the Bundesverfassungsschutz warned that the readiness of the left to use even lethal force against police and representatives of the state and establishment has reached a new height and is comparable to what there was during the RAF years. Says not me - but says the Bundesverfassungsschutz.