Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

[mapuc]

The questions I ask myself is:

What will this end with ?

Will USA change the police education ?

Will there be new laws to protect certain groups of minority ?

Will there be some kind of Censur in public publications ?
(so no one gets offended)

Markus

[Skybird]

I think this time there is too much too widespread pressure, they cannot return to business as usual after some grass has grown.

Certain police departments probably will be/need to be shut down and then rebuild with new training and practice curriculae.

The immense influence of the police unions about which i have red repeatedly now, and that until here protect the black sheep in the police's rows at any cost, must be broken.

Its probably a major change that will go over several years.

But any police can only be as good as the people are by character that it attracts to serve in it. And I have some problems currently why a conmpetent good character should feel attracted to that job - in this country, in this general climate, in this political divide, in this upheated social unrest.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Good report but I think you are twisting his words a bit. Sounds like he is suggesting that based on crime per capita the number of shootings is less that the statistical averages would support.

My solution: hire enough black police officers until 12.6% of all police forces are black, then send only black officers to crimes scenes where black people are involved, and make sure all white officers do not get involved with crime where black men are present.

Didn't the U.S try that "equal but separate" crap back in the late 1800- early 1900's, and was subsequently ruled unconstitutional back in the 1950's?

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Kinda reminds me of Miami in the 70's and 80's. Drug cartels were running that city, crime, murders, assassinations, drugs use all skyrocketing out of control and it quickly turned into another Medellín.

Miami Dade P.D. being shot at and dying. Having not received any help, reinforcements or assistance just quit or retired early in droves. This left a huge void the city filled with people they normally would have never considered to hire as a police officers. Many of the Marielitos were now legally carrying guns and a badge. This lead to well known widespread and deadly police corruption.

Enter the federal government, FBI, CIA, JTF, USCG, USCS, USN, US Army, Blue Thunder, oceanside300, military ships, planes, high tech surveillance and the 'war' on drugs. Citizens participated too, there was a time when something like 40 out of 50 cartel members were shot and killed during the commission of a crime by law abiding citizens packing heat.

Sounds like you were there Rockstar

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Didn't the U.S try that "equal but separate" crap back in the late 1800- early 1900's, and was subsequently ruled unconstitutional back in the 1950's?

Sure. But this is one way to stop racist white cops from brutalizing innocent black people, just send black cops.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sure. But this is one way to stop racist white cops from brutalizing innocent black people, just send black cops.

If you do that then you may as well toss out the Civil Rights Act of 1964 along with any subsequent legislation since. we are either all equal or we aren't. you can't have it both ways.

[Onkel Neal]

We are all equal but some of us are getting bad treatment by the police.

[Skybird]

^ This, and also: its impractical. You do not know in advance what skin colours to meet when you get called as the police. Also, if ethnic shares in the population do not exactly match shares of these ethnicities int jhe crime and offence statistics, you again have a - well, a non-matching situation. And if you go by the rule of that the share in crime category rules on the share of that ethincity in plcie posts, you again end up - most likely, I would assume - with a disproportionate share of ethnic police officer. Suddenly the ethnic minority shows up with a massisve overload in numbers of polcie officer belonging to that group. That could go as far as that a social minority fields a very hugh number of police officers so that the social majoirty deals with a social minority'S cops majority.



Sorry Neal, your idea does not compute well for a number of reasons. Or have you been ironic again?

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sure. But this is one way to stop racist white cops from brutalizing innocent black people, just send black cops.

Well, most all studies agree black police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers, so that's interesting when there are more white cops in these forces. Do black cops have a much higher bias of some sort when it comes to killing black people? Black police also use the N word as slang and get by with it while white police do not, so culture seems to play some role in communication, tho it's against police policy.

So even if stats say more black cops would equal more use of lethal force towards black people, would it still resolve the overall race issue for black people?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, most all studies agree black police are as likely or more likely to kill people of color as white officers, so that's interesting when there are more white cops in these forces. Do black cops have a much higher bias of some sort when it comes to killing black people? Black police also use the N word as slang and get by with it while white police do not, so culture seems to play some role in communication, tho it's against police policy.

No way! I don't believe it. Black cops can't be racist.

Originally Posted by Skybird

^ This, and also: its impractical. You do not know in advance what skin colours to meet when you get called as the police. Also, if ethnic shares in the population do not exactly match shares of these ethnicities int jhe crime and offence statistics, you again have a - well, a non-matching situation. And if you go by the rule of that the share in crime category rules on the share of that ethincity in plcie posts, you again end up - most likely, I would assume - with a disproportionate share of ethnic police officer. Suddenly the ethnic minority shows up with a massisve overload in numbers of polcie officer belonging to that group. That could go as far as that a social minority fields a very hugh number of police officers so that the social majoirty deals with a social minority'S cops majority.



Sorry Neal, your idea does not compute well for a number of reasons. Or have you been ironic again?

lol, I'm pretty sure we need a massive overload of people of color in all our police departments. We should strive for at least 50% black police officers to handle black crime. That way people of color will not object to being arrested by black officers, and if they resist arrest and go crazy like the guy in Atlanta, the black officers will not shoot them down in cold blood.

Come on, get with the times, CHAZ in Seattle even get this. One of their 30 demands is:

“Only black doctors and nurses should be employed specifically to care for black patients.”

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

lol, I'm pretty sure we need a massive overload of people of color in all our police departments. We should strive for at least 50% black police officers to handle black crime. That way people of color will not object to being arrested by black officers, and if they resist arrest and go crazy like the guy in Atlanta, the black officers will not shoot them down in cold blood.

You honestly think that a population that by majority is not black but where racism is present and some would say: prominent, and a police force that by 50+% is black, does not create new problems? Well, I think it would. In no time.

[Cybermat47]

The fact that cops are white isn’t the problem. The fact that cops are abusing their power, with racism being the most prominent facet of that, is the problem.

There is no way to defend an officer who abuses their power, regardless of their ethnicity, gender, orientation, political views, or anything else. A crooked cop is a crooked cop, and as somebody who also works in emergency services, that is unacceptable.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

We are all equal but some of us are getting bad treatment by the police.

agreed, but looking for solutions through the racism prism limits the solutions available to us.

You want to fix this crap, it's simple, layout clear standards & procedures police must follow all the time, and when they deviate, they need to be held to account.

[Armistead]

When I look at stats, most of what I'm seeing is a big circular jerk off of passing the blame backwards.

Blacks are shot at a rate 2-3 times higher than whites by police officers, but the reasoning is said 13% of blacks commit over 50% of violent crimes.. so more police interaction. Then comes the argument that blacks are profiled, arrested and charged more than whites, thus a much higher unfair crime stat than whites, but then stats police are called into black communities via 911 at a much higher rate than white communities. Then we have stats a that a broken family unit { pushing 75% illegitimacy rates for black Americans} failed education, poverty, govt dependency creates more crime. If you pack all these factors into a city sector you create a war zone of gangs, drugs, murder and crime. Because it's such a dangerous job cities give much more lenient union contract protections to police, but this seems to protect bad apples...Then we have the issue of overall police brutality, but the major news is white police racism vs the black community narrative when black cops are more likely to use deadly force against blacks. Then studies that say, regardless of race in America, if you graduate high school, get a job, don't have kids out of wedlock, continue to educate yourself and use your money wisely you have a 80% chance of moving into the working middle class spectrum where crime stats are much lower.

The answer to all of these seems politicians focus first and pass the blame on the racism of white police against blacks, then overall bad policing, when the real issues are the economics and policies, like policing for profit. It seems to be a bottom up focus instead of a top down focus where politicians scream narratives for votes when things go wrong and continue doing the same ole **** in back rooms.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

They have released the videos from Atlanta now. The suspect did not just aim but actually shot at the officers, and missed, it was not before then that the one officer drew is weapon and fired..

They just reported in the news that the suspect stole a taser and ran away, when he was shot dead. Where is this evidence, for any scenario?