Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

[mapuc]

So the White man have been accused for something which toke place hundreds of years ago.

What about the rest of the human kind.

What about the Islamic countries ?

What about China ?

What about Africa ?

From memory.

From some of the episode of the history of slavery, I saw I seem to recall that these three countries also was in to this business too.

Markus

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by mapuc

So the White man have been accused for something which toke place hundreds of years ago.

What about the rest of the human kind.

What about the Islamic countries ?

What about China ?

What about Africa ?

From memory.

From some of the episode of the history of slavery, I saw I seem to recall that these three countries also was in to this business too.

Markus

I’d say it comes from an ignorance of history. Most depictions of slavery just portray the white traders and owners, rather than the Africans who sold their own people into slavery, or the existence of slavery in other cultures.

Ironically, it’s actually a pretty good example of ethnocentrism. “We should talk about the history of slavery, but only the stuff involving people with my skin colour.”

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Your asking us (subsim) for advice?

Simple adjustment Commander Wallace is to give the police more money to weed out the bad cops with better training and more counseling.

The mayor needs to tell the police who to protect ... What are your priorities?

Big business or small business or the public?

More visiable protection day and night.

That man had the cops called on him for passing a phony $20 bill ... give me a break. Didn't they have security camera's ... call the ATF or the Treasury Department

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I'm asking for intelligent opinions, not advice. Why not Subsim ? There are some pretty sharp people here. In fact, Did George Floyd know that the alleged Bill was a forgery ? Where did this alleged forged bill go, anyway ? When was the last time you got change and looked to see if your change contained a forged or counterfeit bill ? We all could have unknowingly passed a counterfeit bill. As you said, if the bill was in fact phony, arrest and charge Floyd and allow him dues process to face charges. The state or federal government has the burden of proof in criminal cases

So your saying that I'm not sharp I thought my advice did offer intelligent options ... weed out the bad apples don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

This man George Floyd and the policeman (forgot his name) that put his knee on him worked together as security officer's at a nightclub, right? As I think August said perhaps they were involved in something like drug dealing together at that time. It will all come out at the trial for sure, but the black lives matter won't accept anything negative about Floyd he's a saint now.

The trial won't take place before the election anyway that's for sure ... Did you hear the BLM people? "Let's keep this thing going"

All's well with you and I Commander I've been disrespected before

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Very good point. Most people who passed counterfeit currency are not aware of it, it's passed through circulation.

If Floyd knew it was counterfeit, where did he get it? Where would he be able to find it? Maybe at his place of employment? If he stole it from someone, maybe they weren't happy about it? Maybe they had someone "take care" of the problem. Maybe that someone's @ss was on the line too, or maybe that someone was just a thick brutal dumb@ss. Maybe someone wanted so apparently obvious an act of police brutality to occur? Lots of maybes, not a lot of investigative journalists. Hell, opinion pieces have to follow the one true narrative now for that matter. Differing opinions being allowed to air will get you fired.

[Mr Quatro]

Yes, they knew each other


Former co-worker of George Floyd and Derek Chauvin claims they 'bumped heads' in the past

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...071539036.html

On the CBS special, Justice for All hosted by Gayle King, George Floyd’s brother Philonise said he believes Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer charged with second-degree murder in Floyd’s death, knew exactly who Floyd was as he pressed his knee into his neck. Not only that, Philonise said he believed it was personal, and he’s not the only one who sees it that way.

Both Floyd and Chauvin used to work security at El Nuevo Rodeo, a nightclub in Minneapolis that was burned to the ground in recent riots. Floyd worked security inside, while Chauvin was paid to sit in his squad car outside the club when he was off-duty. Former co-worker David Pinney said that not only did Floyd and Chauvin know each other, but they had a contentious history.

“They bumped heads,” Pinney said, adding, “It has a lot to do with Derek being extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons, which was an issue.” “Is there any doubt in your mind that Derek Chauvin knew George Floyd?” CBS correspondent Jeff Pegues asked. “No, he knew him,” Pinney replied. “How well did he know him?” “I’d say pretty well.”

Chauvin had a history of complaints against him, and the former owner of the club, Maya Santamaria, was not surprised by what she saw in the video, except that it went as far as it did.

“I was not surprised when I initially saw his knee on his neck, to be honest,” Santamaria said. “Because I’ve seen Chauvin do stuff along those lines. What surprised me was that he didn’t stop right away once George was obviously, ya know, saying, ‘OK, OK.’”

Santamaria also believes race was an issue for Chauvin.

[Jeff-Groves]

If your going to erase history?
Why do places like the Nazi death camps remain?

I find that period of History more reprehensible
To erase the past condemns you to repeat the same thing.

At some point all this will be history and how will it be looked upon a 100 years down the road?
Will there be a change that takes the dark road to erase the history?

I say the Civil War statues and such SHOULD remain much as the WWII death camps!
To remind us of how weak We as a Human Race become at times.

[mapuc]

A movie related comment.

I guess you have heard the story that they have removed the classic movie
Gone with the Wind - They classify it as a racist movie.

Markus

[u crank]

What is remarkable about the whole tearing down/defacing monuments is the knowledge that somethings have happened in the past but there is no recognition of everything that has happened in the past.

The world has certainly changed and judging the attitudes and socially accepted norms 100 or 200 years ago by todays standards is a fools game. Today most Western democracies have a new and better view of race, women, homosexuality, the mentally and physically handicaped, the treatment of children and the poor. These changes were accomplished without tearing down any statues. The changes were acomplished by well meaning conscientious citizens who knew that these attitudes and laws were wrong.

We all know that some of these attitudes still persist in society. The question is will they remain when all of the statues are gone?

[Jeff-Groves]

Once the statues are gone?
It's only a matter of time till the next targets are identified.
Mount Rushmore and other places.

Washington's Memorial is kind of a phallic symbol.
Should it be taken down to satisfy the Gays?

And should We destroy Abe's memorial in DC?

I myself don't want the past erased to fit a modern view!
Should the memorial to Pearl Harbor be buried because Japanese are offended?

[Jeff-Groves]

There are things that should remain to shame and remind people.
We will not tolerate this again!
If it hurts your tiny fellings?
Get over it!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

[...] Washington's Memorial [...]

..does not even look like George Washington.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Catfish

..does not even look like George Washington.

Maybe it was based on his penis?

Having said that? There's alot of theories as to why that structure was built.
It goes from Alien influence to a salute to Ancient Egypt.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Hey, at least Confederate veterans would be happy that their flag isn’t being appropriated by the “liars, fools, and villains” who swear an oath of allegiance to the USA anymore.

“Registered. That means... swore to be a liar, fool, villain, and [n-word]. Ain’t white anymore. Ain’t honest anymore. Am registered as loyal to the United States, and no honest, honorable, sensible, decent white man can be that.”
- Frank Myers, Confederate cavalryman, writing after swearing an oath of allegiance to the USA postwar

Well all my young male relations are getting prominent confederate tattoos atop their shaved 'jarheads' to avoid being drafted for WWIII... along with the recruits the recruiters love to target! And I used to occasionally guard the MEPS on Broadway in Oakland! Moreover when we marched as a Civil War reenactment brigade and/or garrisoned Ft. Point for the National Park Svc on national holidays, the officers from the Naval Moffet Station would all stand and salute the colors: federal and Confederate as they passed, back in the '80's. It's officially Gone With the Wind now BBY!

[Jeff-Groves]

Cybermat47,
Being the last Civil War vet died August 2, 1956?
I doubt anyone is around to complain.
And he was a Union Soldier.
Albert Henry Woolson

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

what about this guy? that speech seems pretty racist by today's standards.

First of all, it wasn't a speech; it was a letter Lincoln sent to newspaper editor Horace Greely in response to an editorial Greeley made titled "The Prayer of Twenty Millions", in which Greeley, a fervent Abolitionist, strongly called on Lincoln to fully, and severely, enforce ant-Rebel laws enacted by Congress, including the Confiscation Act, which Lincoln thought too severe and running contrary to the goal of reuniting the nation...

As in so many things of this sort, context is very important; I noticed you left out the last sentence in the paragraph you quoted:

I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

... and it omits the sentence that follows the above paragraph and that closes the letter:

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

This is the entire letter:

Executive Mansion, Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley: Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours, A. Lincoln.

What is the context of Lincoln saying: “if I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it” --

https://history.stackexchange.com/qu...without-freein


Context is everything and the quote, as you posted it, sorely lacks context...


This is a link to Horace Greely's "The Prayer of Twenty Millions" editorial that prompted Lincoln's letter in response; it is a bit long and dense, so I chose not to post its entirety here as I did Lincoln's letter; it is worth the read to see exactly to what Lincoln was responding; there are also faint echoes of some of the arguments still being made today...:


"The Prayer of Twenty Millions" --

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/...s/greeley.html


BTW, the link for the Lincoln letter does have some interesting discussions on the context of the quote and letter...






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