Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

[Platapus]

It did seem excessive. The man was handcuffed and laying on the ground. If anything needs to be knelt on, I would think that his legs would be a higher priority

[Onkel Neal]

Good grief, you think a cop with any intelligence at all would know better than to kill someone this way.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Good grief, you think a cop with any intelligence at all would know better than to kill someone this way.

Apparently not

[Rockstar]

In an essay published in the Wall Street Journal, Radley Balko, author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop” presents chilling and convincing evidence of the blurring of the line between cop and soldier:

Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.

[Catfish]

^ yes and how convenient the cops wear masks, so no one can be accused later, win-win. For them.

Police uses water, pepper spray and CS gas, not nice, but.. looks more like riot control than a normal police mission.

[mapuc]

An outsider should not point fingers at another countries law and enforcement.

When it comes to give ideas then I think it may be ok.

The idea I give is from Sweden.

1. Since many, many years back and since some incident an upcoming police cadet have to go through a psychological test of some sort.
(from the Swedish news around 10 years after this had been implement, showed that 2-3 out of 20 interested have been classified as not suitable for the job)

2. Today a Swedish police has a number on his shirt/jacket.
In case a police should be to harsh and a civilian want to complain.
S/He can then use this number and the Internal affairs know who's the police office behind the mask.(The civilians don't)

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by mapuc

An outsider should not point fingers at another countries law and enforcement.

When it comes to give ideas then I think it may be ok.

The idea I give is from Sweden.

1. Since many, many years back and since some incident an upcoming police cadet have to go through a psychological test of some sort.
(from the Swedish news around 10 years after this had been implement, showed that 2-3 out of 20 interested have been classified as not suitable for the job)

2. Today a Swedish police has a number on his shirt/jacket.
In case a police should be to harsh and a civilian want to complain.
S/He can then use this number and the Internal affairs know who's the police office behind the mask.(The civilians don't)

Markus

I'm not so sure on this Markus. Your being from a country other than the U.S may give you a unique perspective and allow you to do a comparison and contrast with law enforcement in your own country.

Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J. Alexander Kueng were fired while Chauvin was the one identified who for lack of a better word, executed an unarmed and restrained, George Floyd.

Chauvin has an extensive record of complaints against him in his role of a police officer. Chauvin was never disciplined which is indicative of the culture of the police department in Minneapolis. The Internal Affairs apparently never acted on the complaints inside it's own department or considered the complaints to have any merit.

It's been said that George Floyd may have tried to pass a counterfeit $ 20 dollar bill. This may be true but did Floyd print it ? Did Floyd unknowingly pass on a bill that he himself got and didn't know was counterfeit or is that a cover story that the Minneapolis Police used to cover their bases. If there was probable cause, then the proper remedial action would be to arrest and charge Floyd and allow Floyd his day in court to stand trial. The officers acted as judge, jury and executioner.

The official report is that Floyd died of a " medical condition ". I never heard of a videotaped execution called a " medical condition." I would say be being force-ably asphyxiated as shown in the video constitutes first degree murder and charges are warranted.

The lack of compassion shown by Chauvin and the time it took for him to die shows premeditation. This makes the job by decent law enforcement officers more difficult as there is a loss of trust. Further, This horrible incident subjects honest and decent Law enforcement officers to retaliation.

I just wonder how we manufacture people who have so little regard for life as to get a thrill from killing another person.




^ You hit the nail on the head, Platapus.

[Platapus]

I would like to see a reversal of the militarization of our police forces.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Good grief, you think a cop with any intelligence at all would know better than to kill someone this way.

Perhaps intelligence had everything to do with it imho. Having seen the video, been trained an used restraint methods myself, doing a carotid artery restraint over a trivial bad $20 dollar bill beef for 8 minutes on a handcuffed man makes no sense on its face alone. The fact that officer Chauvin worked an off duty gig for 17 years at a club where Floyd worked four years, speaks volumes. No officer doesn't know his crew and their backup talents threat assessmentwise in case of serious altercations where alcohol is a factor. I've been there and done this from New Years eve bar festivities to large flea markets and know who to count on...Clearly officer Chauvin would have noticed all members of his security crew especially as distinctive as Mr. Floyd. Ergo, he killed someone he actually knew, ignoring pleas for mercy. Mr Chauvin, currently being divorced, and owning another residence in Florida obviously has a high overhead on his officer's salary. A sure bet: Ms Chauvin won't be collecting on his pension! By two autopsies, Mr Floyd had drugs in his system when he passed. Drugs and clubs...not real stretch The relationship between the two co-employees needs thorough scrutiny; murder two might not be the correct charge after all...

[Col7777]

When I was working, (I'm retired now) I have worked with lots of different people white and black.

A lot of the white people were OK, but there was obviously the some real A$$ holes who I wouldn't trust one bit.
Worked with some black people, again a lot were OK but just like the whites there was the odd A$$ hole, I also know of 3 that used the race card at work to their advantage.
My point is there is good and bad in all walks of life.


As for the forged bill that George Floyd had, I'm sure I read somewhere it turned out it wasn't forged but that could be wrong I don't know.
I also read that Chauvin worked inside the club but got lots of complaints so he was moved outside and Floyd remained inside and pi$$ed Chauvin off, but again that also could be wrong, so many things being said it is hard to tell what is true.

Col.

[Dowly]

[Skybird]

^ The far-far-left senate of Berlin has pushed through a law that reverses the burden of evidence in case of claimed disicrimnation offences. It means that if the police gets accused by somebody that he was "discriminated" in the widest meaning, the claim is now legally seen as evidence as long as the police officers cnanot prove that they did not discriminate.

This is a leftist suicide coup of the worst kind. Police unions are in arms, but the black block faction and the far left squatters and anarchists are celebrating. I know from first hand report that officers already have started to quit. Right they do, its the only advice that is left to give.

The law also affects other official services of public amdinsitration. If you claim you have experienced disrmination, you must not prove it - the other has to prove that he did not discmrinate you.

The law is through all parliamentary instances and is now live and active.

Recently the Constitutional High Court ruled that the German secret services like Bundesnachrichtendienst, MAD shall no longer overhear anybody not just ion germany, but in foreign countries as well. In other words: they have been told to become incapable to do their job.



Madness rules.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Skybird

^ The far-far-left senate of Berlin has pushed through a law that reverses the burden of evidence in case of claimed disicrimnation offences. It means that if the police gets accused by somebody that he was "discriminated" in the widest meaning, the claim is now legally seen as evidence as long as the police officers cnanot prove that they did not discriminate.

Well, that’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard today. I believe that’s the definition of “knee-jerk overreaction”.

Do Police need to be held accountable and bought to justice for any abuses of power they commit? Obviously, anyone who would argue otherwise isn’t worth my time. But accusations are not evidence. If you need evidence, just make it illegal for police to turn off their body cams while on duty. That way any abuse of power will be documented.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Yeah, I had it on my youtube recommandations few days ago.

Had good laugh!


(even in these troubled times)

[Skybird]

I think the exampel from Berlin has taken the fun out of the Onion. Because Berlin is no satire at all. Its reality.