The end of binary order - and biology and science

[Skybird]

Rejecting cancel culture. rejecting a small noisy minority of ignorrants the right to turn political correctness into existentially threatening fascism in the name of wannabesomethings who are bored by their meaningless life and insist to become a special something, a celebrity-kind of personality that gets applause for nothing than just claiming something and which is in collision mode with science and reason.

Thats what it is to me, Tchocky.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695


Nobody starts being able to breath under water just by claiming he is a fish and wants to be seen as one. And I dont like getting pushed and getting forced to award him for this folly, and getting sanctioned, cancelled, punished if I dont comply.


That all is what it is to me. And what it should be to everybody.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Rejecting cancel culture. rejecting a small noisy minority of ignorrants the right to turn political correctness into existentially threatening fascism in the name of wannabesomethings who are bored by their meaningless life and insist to become a special something, a celebrity-kind of personality that gets applause for nothing than just claiming something and which is in collision mode with science and reason.

Jesus, would you consider taking a moment and considering how nasty the stuff you type is?

I really would be careful throwing around the word "ignorant" here.


Complaining that others are encouraging fascism because of their ignorance, yelling about bored idiots in the minority with meaningless lives?

If they're bored, Skybird, then what the hell are you?

Be nice for once.

Celebrity personality?

Are you *insane*?


You know nothing of what you speak.

Take a break.

Be nice.

[Catfish]

I intend to become a unicorn. I just hesitate which gender

[Skybird]

What you demand, is almost personally offensive. By demanding respect for nonsense you tell me to my face that you think I am an idiot. Sorry, I do not respect this nonsense, and I have certainly zero intention to ever play nice when the personal obsessions of others are no longer kept in their private cabin, but insist to take over the rules of public life and language and social standards. You do not let the insane manage the asylum, even less so if they threaten you with punishments, sanctions, "cancellation" as it is called these days if you do not play by their new rules. This all is highly corrosive for society, it costs an awful lot of money to make this mande3ss a cozy plkace that it demands and wants to widen, just to please a handful of nutheads and narcissists who have learned to live by taking themselves as overly important, and the public creates them the stage on which they can wallow in their ego, whatever gender it may feel like on this or that day. Sorry, but not sorry at all, no go with me. Not before I have turned insane myself. Respecting this and be nice on it, would be a frontal assault on reason, intellectual thinking, and what is good and valuable in human nature. A raping of my own standrds and dignity, my own values and my own ethics. You see what problem I have there, yes?

Request denied.

"I've studied authoritarianism for a very long time - for 40 years - and they're started by people's attempts to control the ideological and linguistic territory," he told the BBC.
"There's no way I'm going to use words made up by people who are doing that - not a chance."
Dr Peterson is concerned proposed federal human rights legislation "will elevate into hate speech" his refusal to use alternative pronouns.
Legal experts disagree.
Bill C-16, currently before Canada's parliament, prohibits discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act on the basis of gender identity and expression. The bill covers the federal government and federally regulated industries like banks or airlines. It also extends hate speech provisions under Canada's criminal code to transgendered people.
"I don't think any legal expert would say using an inappropriate pronoun, while not something that respects the human rights of trans people, would ever result in a criminal conviction," said Kyle Kirkup, a law professor with the University of Ottawa who specialises in gender identity and sexuality law.
But Dr Peterson could face sanction under Ontario's human rights code, which extended protection to trans people in 2012.
Penalties range from fines and damages to mandatory anti-discrimination training.

Mandatory anti-.discmrination traning"...? Where? In Chinese reeducation camaps, maybe? Absolvents get a diploma confirmign they are now qualified for culturally more beautiful opinion-forming?

Crowd, world, everybody - get back to your damn senses. What is left of them.


A parody, in German, for those who understand German. Unfortunately, the starting point - the gender corretc lanbgaue offensive in the olublic amdinstraitona nd services of Hanniover - is not parody, but real. There and in many other cities and districts. When madness becomes pandemic, it turns into the norm.




The linguistic perversions described ALL ARE REAL IN GERMANY, officials and politicians and media people use this kind of raped German all the time. You can get removed from public services if you refuse to use it. You most likely will have your exam paper rejected and your diploma exam failed if you refuse to write in gender-correct language. You will be barred from tutoring, if you do not surrender. Students and tutors alike must obey it, else they get thrown out and must stop. Reality in Germany, Austria... since years. POrivate, social mobbing and consequences not even counted.



Yeah cancel culture they call it. Fascism I call it.

Great lady: sharp tongue, witty mind, smart and intelligent, charming and humorours and always polite. Not German, but Swiss. Her good looks are an additional benefit, but she must not live of them, her brain alone already justifies the money for the ticket. She runs a great - German-speaking - channel.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What you demand, is almost personally offensive.

The things you post here are offensive.


So please don't mind if I tell you where you can stick your "almost personally offensive".

By demanding respect for nonsense you tell me to my face that you think I am an idiot. Sorry, I do not respect this nonsense, and I have certainly zero intention to ever play nice when the personal obsessions of others are no longer kept in their private cabin, but insist to take over the rules of public life and language and social standards.

Ridiculous. No one is demanding anything of you except the basic decency of avoiding being cruel. There are words and epithets we don not use anymore because they are universally found to be cruel and disrespectful.

Clearly you cannot do this - but please don't make your own general unpleasantness the fault of wider society.

Keep it in your private cabin and so on and so forth.

You do not let the insane manage the asylum, even less so if they threaten you with punishments, sanctions, "cancellation" as it is called these days if you do not play by their new rules.

This is also known as being held responsible for your own behaviour.


To the privileged, any movement towards equality looks like punishment.

Please stop labelling those who you disagree with as insane. You are not helping an environment which is already malignant and cruel enough.

This all is highly corrosive for society, it costs an awful lot of money to make this mande3ss a cozy plkace that it demands and wants to widen, just to please a handful of nutheads and narcissists who have learned to live by taking themselves as overly important, and the public creates them the stage on which they can wallow in their ego, whatever gender it may feel like on this or that day.

What sort of catastrophic rubbish have you been reading that suggests trans people can be fairly described as "nutheads and narcissists" who change their gender on a daily basis?


Again, it's not society's fault you are unable to speak with respect here so please stop blaming your personality issues on the rest of us.

Sorry, but not sorry at all, no go with me. Not before I have turned insane myself. Respecting this and be nice on it, would be a frontal assault on reason, intellectual thinking, and what is good and valuable in human nature.

Ugh. For someone who can't resist firing up the megaphone to complain about nutheads who change their gender on a daily basis, you really have stretched my patience with this claptrap about "reason".


Maybe one of those 150 gender studies academics could help you sort this out in your own head before the keyboard breaks under the crushing weight of your own self-righteousness.


JUST A THOUGHT.

A raping of my own standrds and dignity, my own values and my own ethics. You see what problem I have there, yes?

I see that you are sufficiently deluded to think that this issue is a good one in which to use language of sexual assault to describe your own hurt feelings.


You are something else.

Mandatory anti-.discmrination traning"...? Where? In Chinese reeducation camaps, maybe? Absolvents get a diploma confirmign they are now qualified for culturally more beautiful opinion-forming?

Well as long as you remain objective and reasonable.


You're all about reason, yes?

Crowd, world, everybody - get back to your damn senses. What is left of them.

Fully agree. Talk to someone who knows about this field. Educate yourself.

The linguistic perversions described ALL ARE REAL IN GERMANY, officials and politicians and media people use this kind of raped German all the time.

I would strongly advise against using the language of sexual assault here.

LGBT people and transgenders in particular suffer the highest rates of sexual assault, rape and intimate partner violence. Many are denied support services afterwards due to sexual orientation or gender identity

Yeah cancel culture they call it. Fascism I call it.

Seriously I don't know why you continue to make claims of fascism. Where is this connection?

You started this thread talking about JK Rowling, on what planet is the reaction to her statements in any way analogous to fascism?


Seriously, chill.

Her good looks are an additional benefit, but she must not live of them, her brain alone already justifies the money for the ticket.

And now we get to it.


Christ on a bike.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37875695

I was waiting for when someone would bring up Peterson and his views on C-16 which were very quickly pointed out to be false. But I guess that doesn't matter to him, considering before he made his Patreon income hidden he was making $40k a month to peddle outrage to angry people.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I was waiting for when someone would bring up Peterson and his views on C-16 which were very quickly pointed out to be false. But I guess that doesn't matter to him, considering before he made his Patreon income hidden he was making $40k a month to peddle outrage to angry people.

I'm sure that relying on a known liar and fraud isn't going to stop anyone.

[ikalugin]

And here comes character assasination.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

And here comes character assasination.

It's not character assasination if it's true.

Peterson's views on C16 where simply wrong, either he on purpose misrepresented it or he didn't know what he was talking about. C16 was, to put it simply, an amendment to existing anti-discrimination laws. It says absolutely nothing about being punished for mistakenly using a wrong gender pronoun.

[Subnuts]

I have Asperger's Syndrome.

On a scale of 1-10, how much am I contributing to the downfall of nonautistic Western civilization?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

I have Asperger's Syndrome.

On a scale of 1-10, how much am I contributing to the downfall of nonautistic Western civilization?

Not at all. But then you are not like this young lady we have over here in Germany, she has Down syndrome and she loves it. She says she wants to have many many babies and hopes they all will have Down syndrome and that society will embrace Down syndrome to be a contribution to what defines normality and that the quota of Down syndrome people amongst the population should rise. Dumb like straw, if you ask me.



The defamation of Peterson is fact. It does nto matter what the man likes or says, it is about the brutality by which a small but vocal minority claism the right to desrtoy everybody who dies not share their opinion and their demand that their opinions should become the common ruke of public life and standards. That Tchicky an Dowly love these kind of new legislations and embrace sanctionsing people disagreeing, is no surprise. The totalitariansim in the progressive scene is not one inch less intense and brutal as it is in right wing totalitarianism. For the corfrtetc world view and ideology: anything goes! And if you hold the wrong world view or the wrong opinion, you must not be disagree with, no - you must be destroyed socially, economically, legally! Serves you right!


One thing these people do not like, however - if they are beign called out for it and if what they do gets called by its real name.