The end of binary order - and biology and science
 

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Thats my argument ^. It is absurd, it is hilarious, and many reasonable people do not care at all - nevertheless it is very powerful and influential and creates a very intense destructive power (right becauue reasonable people did not care to contain it while there still was time). It creates quota policies, discrimination of "binary people" and demonization of ordinary, reasonable people. It creates witch hunts and public defamation campaigns, ruined careers and dysfunctional social constellations. Its one of the most popular examples of how noisy minorities can dominate the scene - not by being indeed right, but by merely being noisy instead.

I'll stick to my fundamental belief, you are born either male or female and whatever you choose to become after that is up to each individual and should be of little to no concern of anyone else.

^Aye and the only reasonable demand you make of society is that they tolerate you and dont discriminate too much (I say 'too much' because individually we all dicriminate whether we like it or not). You cannot expect society en mass to embrace you or bend over backwards to accomadate you so you feel comfortable all the time, that is simply not reasonable or possible.

You can demand that - and be successful with that. That is the point. This madness works. It is successfully spreading. Job candidates get decided for or against on basis of whether they embrace gender theory or not. At universities you can get fired if you do not obey gender language. Your papers that you have to file as a student can get rejected if you do not comply with gender language. it is it being done - on very wide front. Teachings, lessons can get booed down and boycotted, speakers and tutors can get mobbed if they object to gender new speak.It happens. Right now. All the time. City administratition demand gender new speak in official forums. they adress citizens with gender new speak, they even sometimes refused papers handed in by citizen due to discriminative violation of language. On natzional and eU level they push to criminlaise rejeciton of gender theory. Not complying with egnder new speak shall become a ounsiable offence, based on hate crime and discrimination.


Its reality, guys. Already now. And not even rare. Its becoming standard. Once legislation and laws have been taken over, this madness will have beocme the new norm, and anybody not following it will feel the sting from not doing so.

As it should be. Hate crimes and discrimination are intentional, targeted harassment.

Sometimes Dowly, sometimes, but thats one hell of blanket statment you made. problem is who gets to define what a 'hate crime' is and determine when one has taken place, alot of it is down to perception and context.
Just like any other type of crime its by no means always so simplistic and black and white as you put it.
E.g A trangender woman being refused service by a gynocologist can be percived as a hate crime by some.
or....
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...triarchy-women

Case and point, how they should be used ideally and how they are used in reality are not always the same thing.
I dont think is such a problem hate crimes exist, but if they do - they need to be WAY more clearly thought through and clearly defined, the problem is they are usually not, they are sketchy to the point they are open to about as much interpretation as a nostradamus prediction.

Often heavily based on how victims claims it 'made them feel'. Feelings can often be wrong.

So you are saying not complying with the utmost hilarious and absurd pervertations of language based on esoteric, narcissim, anti-scientific belief and ideolgocial power-play should be punishable.



Says a lot. But its not a compliment. To your defence I give oyu the benefit of doubt I just assume for a moment that maybe you are not aware of what queer lingual contorted manouvers official German and EU English are practicing already now. We even have had court cases already because of referring to a female with a child as a "mother", or distinguishing between "mother" and "father". We even have had action already about the use of male and female articles. Some even demand that in families the use of "mum" and"daddy" should be seen as a discrimination of some gender fools who feel offended and that it should allow the state to get engaged in order to correct this antisocial habit. On more and more forms, "mother" or "father" is beign replaced with "parent No. 1" and "parent No. 2" Although some retards already argue that the whole concept of "parenthood" is a discrimination and that it should be dropped alltogether, also to no longer be able to diffeentiate between biological parents of a child, and homosexual legal guardians: it is an offending to tell a homosexual couple that they could not create a baby biologically by their own means.



You are insane if you support this, Dowly. There are some simple basic truths about life and existence. One of them is that we must breath and eat and drink, another is that humans are a heterosexual species by genetical and biological design and evolutionary need and that this is the only one meachism by which we can continue to exist as a species, which is true for all mammals, as far as I know. No ideolgoy and no claim will ever chnage this. Reality will never bend and distort to comply with wnated idelgical world views. Rejecting this disqualifies you from any reasonable conversation or scientific discussion. "Gender science" - has as much to do with science as homeopathy or astrology. Its faery tale.



Just a few months ago german child psychologists and neuroscientists have warned and showed that a steep increase in personality disorders and psychological problems in juveniles over here is to be linked to a.) taking children away from intact family life and cramming them into Kindergardens aleady at way too early ages (as low as 1.5 years, everybody who gas had dealt with concepts like bonding and ealry-years children psychology knows what a destructive crime that is), and b.) systematically disrupting their natural sexual self identification process in their puberty by indoctrinating them with gender ideology and telling them that they are sexual neuters and can freely chsose whether they want to be a boy or a girl, that they can even switch back and forth or to beign something different as often as they want. The madness knows no limits here.



That is bull****, Dowly. And you will not hear anything different from me, ever. And I save myself from spenign more tme on listing exmaples of how contemporary language gets dustored further by the use of "#" and "*" and avoiding Mrs and Mr and Hr. and Fr. and female and male forms of subjectives and instead now adressing males as females in general . Not to mention gender quotes in job awardings, even complete exclusions of males from (legal action against this discrmination of males so far has seen no successes), there are univeristies in Austria and Germany where they have banned male candidates alltogether. It is here where gender idiocy and fascist feminism have come together in an unholy alliance.



Ba careful what you defend there. You destroy the mortar in the brickwall of our civilization there. And outside the Americna and European self-proclained "intellectual" left, nobody follows this and takes it for serious anyway. Here in Europe, it widens the trenches between people and societies with a still intact sense of historically grown own identity, and "progressive" entities being raped by EU ideologists who march amongs others for "gender idoelgiy" and radical, almost fascist femism.



Before the law, men and women shall be treated equal. Period. Not less. Not more. And the German Basic Law says right this in ink on paper, black on white, in writing. I am totally in support of this. Of this, but not more than this.

If you are doing it intentionally, to harass or discriminate. Yes, absolutely.


As for the rest of your post: please don't assume I'm defending anyone here.


@JU_88, re: your link, she lost. The law decided against her/him/whatever.

In that particular case yes - and for now yes, but left unchecked who knows where we go with it...
In the UK we've already had a girl arrested for posting offensive Rap lyrics online
A Scottish guy fined £800 for teaching a Dog to nazi salute (in the clear context of a prank)

Im just saying there is valid argument for some Push back against hate crime/ hate speech laws, and it should never be automatically dismissed as 'Biggots just wanna biggot' etc (not that im accusing you of this personally),

But yeah where its clear and proven targetted discrimination- I have no problem with sensibly implimented hate crime laws either, Hate speech laws on the other hand.... but thats for another discussion.

Okay, if you say so.


So you are saying not complying with the utmost hilarious and absurd pervertations of language based on esoteric, narcissim, anti-scientific belief and ideolgocial power-play should be punishable: If you are doing it intentionally, to harass or discriminate. Yes, absolutely.


What has not complying with these implications to do with harassment and discrimination. What had Rowlings's recent defending of that there are women and that there are men to do with discrimination and harassment. Its fact. She just said the most obvious. And here now comes oyu saying that referring to men as men and women as women, is discmrination and harassment.



I leave it here. You illustrated yourself, and repeatedly. I wait for the day when the first complaint will be filed that 2 + 2 has a result of 4, and somebody feels offended by that and demands it to be 5 and 7 as well, and says that a result of 4 is discrimination of those believing this mathematical term solves for a result of whatever he/she/it feels like.



Damn, I need a homeopathic globuli now to get down again.

I didn't say that, Skybird. I said if one does it intentionally to harass someone, it should be punishable.

And for the record just so you don't have to assume things about me: I agree, there are only two genders. But that doesn't mean I am against a law or laws that would shield people who believe otherwise from harassment, discrimination or violence for no other reason than they think differently.

And again you reiterate that telling an obvious fact like that there are males and females is potentially a punishable offence if somebody does not see this fact as a fact, and therefore it shall not be told in first - or getting punished for being told. The fact-teller shall shut ob and effetcovely gets censore dö. which indeed is what they do in relaity now - and the nuthead is free to claim whatever he/she/it claims thigns to be: without needing to face burden of evidence himself for anythign at all.

You turn the world from its feet on its head. Continue your weaseling step-dancing on eggs, its in a way quite amusing.

What's it to you, Skybird?

Again, I am speaking about hate crimes and discrimination (which you left out, because of course you did). Accidentally calling someone him instead of her is not punishable and I very much doubt will ever be.
Targeting someone, intentionally and repeatedly would be harassment (and possible hate crime, depending).

Rest easy, Skybird. The sky is not falling tonight either.

The problem seems to be two fold:
- compelled speach
- politication and then censorship of speach

For example should the state compel specific types of speach?
If a person has a factually correct opinion that there are two biological sexes for humans, should that person be allowed to state it?
If a person were to state on twitter that transwomen are biologically men, could they be arrested in say UK?


And this without going into what we should do with bad faith actors such as trans-athletes or the certain guy with the waxing request.