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Mr Quatro · 11-07-18, 02:44 PM

I thought speaker of the House and the majority leader were the same thing.

Yes, no, I don't know?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38045...ne-joseph-curl

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Pelosi is a career politician who has already served 16 terms in the House, but some party leaders wish she'd go away.

Rep. Linda Sanchez (D-CA) said late last year it was time for Pelosi — and other longtime party leaders — to depart and let a new generation lead House Democrats

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 02:48 PM

What this all boils down to is governing by executive order. B Obama did this at will. Trump will do the same....and probably relish in it!!

Dowly · 11-07-18, 03:06 PM

Well, that didn't take long.

Embattled Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns under pressure

Mueller probe will now be overseen by Sessions' Chief of Staff Matthew Whitaker.

Skybird · 11-07-18, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

No, the Senate has no part in the initial impeachment process. That decision is up to the House and specifically the Speaker of the House.

Once articles of Impeachment have been approved, only then does the Senate get involved.

The House is in control of Impeachment
The Senate is in control of the Impeachment trial.

No matter who launches it - the Senate can block any successful impeachment attempt. A supermajority of two thirds is needed in senate to let any such attempt pass. That means 40% of Republican senators would need to vote with a complete team of Democrat senators. Will not happen. Trenches are too deep.

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Well, that didn't take long.

Embattled Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns under pressure

Mueller probe will now be overseen by Sessions' Chief of Staff Matthew Whitaker.

He was asked to resign.

Skybird · 11-07-18, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Well, that didn't take long.

Embattled Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns under pressure

Mueller probe will now be overseen by Sessions' Chief of Staff Matthew Whitaker.

Hehe, its the first 24 hours, so I won 10 bucks from my neighbour then.

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

No matter who launches it - the Senate can block any successful impeachment attempt. A supermajority of two thirds is needed in senate to let any such attempt pass.

The issue is the time and money spent on impeachment posturing when it should be of good use for what these folks are elected to do.

Maxine Waters has spend the last 19 months doing just that.

I will say this, if the House looks to impeach Trump and Kavanaugh...I can guarantee a Trump win in 2020.

Platapus · 11-07-18, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I thought speaker of the House and the majority leader were the same thing.

It can get confusing.

Currently, the Speaker of the House is Paul Ryan (Wisconsin)
The House Majority Leader is Kevin McCarethy (California)
The House Majority Whip is Steve Scalise (Louisiana)

Generally speaking the Speaker has the more prominent appearance when dealing with the public while the Majority Leader works more behind the scenes.

Platapus · 11-07-18, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

No matter who launches it - the Senate can block any successful impeachment attempt.

Technically and legally no. But it may be a matter of semantics. It is common for people to confuse impeachment with conviction for that impeachment.

This is why it is more appropriately referred to as impeachment and Removal as that describes the two related but separate actions. (Article 1 s 3 and article 2 s 4)

The only powers the Senate has is to either convict or acquit. Regardless of their decision, the impeachment charge is a matter of history. This is why Presidents Johnson and Clinton are considered impeached.... just acquitted. Acquittal does not remove the record of impeachment.

It is just like for an ordinary citizen who is indicted and tried. Even if they are acquitted, there is still a record of the indictment.

There is nothing that the Senate can do to affect the House's decision to impeach. The rules were put in place to keep the power of impeachment and the power of conviction separate.

Bilge_Rat · 11-07-18, 04:03 PM

that was quick...Sessions is OUT!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jef...torney-general

Skybird · 11-07-18, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Technically and legally no. But it may be a matter of semantics. It is common for people to confuse impeachment with conviction for that impeachment.

This is why it is more appropriately referred to as impeachment and Removal as that describes the two related but separate actions. (Article 1 s 3 and article 2 s 4)

The only powers the Senate has is to either convict or acquit. Regardless of their decision, the impeachment charge is a matter of history. This is why Presidents Johnson and Clinton are considered impeached.... just acquitted. Acquittal does not remove the record of impeachment.

It is just like for an ordinary citizen who is indicted and tried. Even if they are acquitted, there is still a record of the indictment.

There is nothing that the Senate can do to affect the House's decision to impeach. The rules were put in place to keep the power of impeachment and the power of conviction separate.

That may be legally very important to discriminate between the process and the final outcome, but the general understanding of the term in Germany and I think in English language as well is that impeachement implies "successfully doing so" (the person gets kicked). The Senate will not allow an impeachment to be succesfull. And thats what it is about. Trump is not the kind of sensible nature that cries lonely in his bed in the night over having had such a trial in his biography - as long as it was tried unsuccessful. He probably would even boast with it.

u crank · 11-07-18, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

that was quick...Sessions is OUT!

Can't say I'm surprised. Not a bit.

Jimbuna · 11-08-18, 07:32 AM

This must be oh so entertaining for the likes of Russia and China.

AVGWarhawk · 11-08-18, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

This must be oh so entertaining for the likes of Russia and China.

Definitely a circus. Mostly a distraction.

Jimbuna · 11-08-18, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Definitely a circus. Mostly a distraction.

And now this...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46133268

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,293 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	What this all boils down to is governing by executive order. B Obama did this at will. Trump will do the same....and probably relish in it!! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,056 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Well, that didn't take long. Embattled Attorney General Jeff Sessions resigns under pressure Mueller probe will now be overseen by Sessions' Chief of Staff Matthew Whitaker.