US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 387

GoldenRivet · 11-07-18, 10:34 AM

This midterm election, Texas was a battleground.

Newcomer Robert O'rourke, who campaigned as "Beto" to pander to the Hispanic population, gave the incumbent Ted Cruz an honest run for his money... in a state that has not elected democrat leadership since i was a fifth grader. thats 30 years ago.

Robert O'rourke is hardly the ideal political candidate for those unfamiliar with him. but so few of our candidates are these days. In 1996 he was arrested for breaking and entering into the physical plant of the University of Texas El Paso. The university suddenly and abruptly dropped the charges against him and his friends, some allege this abrupt change in stance occurred after his wealthy father made a substantial donation to the university. Unable to stay out of trouble, O'Rourke was arrested again two years later for crashing a car on Interstate 10 while driving under the influence of alcohol, but he negotiated out of the charges in exchange for taking a DWI course.

Under republican leadership there has been much to talk about in the state. Texas leads the nation in jobs growth, in fact there have been 28 continuous months in a row to date of positive jobs growth in the state. In a whole slew of new rankings, Texas leads the nation. Numerous independent sources site Texas as the number one state for doing business, number one for export revenues, number one for livestock revenues... the state has no personal income tax, and a median household income on par with the national middle class.

Though there was no "blue wave victory" in the state of Texas like many of my liberal colleagues aggressively touted about on facebook and other social media platforms... Ted Cruz, the incumbent republican, won re-election by a margin of only a quarter million votes... out of a total of over 8,000,000 voters who showed up at the polls.

While republicans in the state today wake up to victory, it is important for them to remember that they just won the super bowl, their uniforms stained with blood and mud and dirt... against a brand new rookie franchise... in overtime... by a single field goal.

Texas politics is something of a paradox.

Under republican leadership we have a booming economy, fastest jobs growth in the nation, minuscule unemployment, we are attracting more businesses and industries... yet as all of this attracts more people to our great state our urban areas begin to swell and for some reason, they show up at the polls and vote against the very things that attracted them here.

it is outside the realm of my intelligence to understand why they vote for socialism, welfare state, pro crime, pro corruption nonsense but here we had 48% of our fellow Texans rush for just that side of the ballot!

i consider myself to be a pretty smart guy... but i cannot wrap my head around anyone’s reasoning for voting for illegals and against veterans.... for welfare and against jobs... for poverty ridden socialist agendas and against a job exploding free market.

what kind of person wants those things for their state?

Personally, my travels have taken me to many of these blue states. they are unhappy, filthy, crime infested, corrupt hell holes in which the homeless are nearly as abundant as the trees. boarded up buildings that literally span miles. thousands of acres of steel mills and factory’s that have churned not a puff of smoke in 40-60 years.

in fact, the only boarded up building in my home town... has a "BETO FOR SENATE" political sign prominently displayed out front. go figure.

where Texans, and Texas republicans should be concerned... is that 48% of the voting population of the state showed up and voted for a Texas of the unemployed, boarded up variety.

48%

Republicans are going to have to work harder and harder every election year to maintain the red state bastion that is the Lone Start State.

Jimbuna · 11-07-18, 10:47 AM

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AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

so mid-terms are over. Thank god. Now we have two months before the 2020 election begins…

main take aways for me.

1. trump's 2016 election has been legitimised. The main narrative for the past two years from Democrats was that Trump's election was an unfortunate accident and that voters would repudiate him the first chance they got. Well that did not happen last night, GOP losses are more or less the historical average and a lot less than the shellacking Obama got in 2010.

2. Trump's takeover of the GOP is complete. The GOP did not just increase GOP senators. Trump's main GOP critics, McCain, Corker and Flake are gone and the new crop of GOP senators were all hand picked by Trump and owe their election to him. Expect the GOP Senators to be even more pro-Trump going forward.

I predict a blood bath for Trump at the hands of the House. More time will be spent starting investigations and impeachment proceedings that nothing else will get accomplished.

Pelosi, oh brother......

Jimbuna · 11-07-18, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I predict a blood bath for Trump at the hands of the House. More time will be spent starting investigations and impeachment proceedings that nothing else will get accomplished.

Pelosi, oh brother......

Doesn't the Senate have the authority to stop any impeachment attempt?

Mr Quatro · 11-07-18, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Doesn't the Senate have the authority to stop any impeachment attempt?

Pelosi said in her first victory speech that no impeachment was planned by her ... so then President Trump said: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KCN1NB1CW?il=0

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“In all fairness, Nancy Pelosi deserves to be chosen Speaker of the House by the Democrats. If they give her a hard time, perhaps we will add some Republican votes. She has earned this great honor,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

STEED · 11-07-18, 11:48 AM

Well that was a let down dam media hype. So its back to gridlock screaming and blaming each other.

Bilge_Rat · 11-07-18, 11:50 AM

you need a two-thirds majority in the Senate to impeach, i.e. 67 out of 100 senators, so it was always a pipe dream.

However, the Democrats may launch impeachment proceedings just to generate negative publicity against Trump ahead of 2020.

I doubt there will be a big rush to impeachment though. I think you could make an argument that part of the Dem losses in the Senate are due to the backlash over the Kananaugh circus. I think the Dems will be a bit smarter in picking their next battles instead of just shooting at everything.

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Doesn't the Senate have the authority to stop any impeachment attempt?

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

you need a two-thirds majority in the Senate to impeach, i.e. 67 out of 100 senators, so it was always a pipe dream.

However, the Democrats may launch impeachment proceedings just to generate negative publicity against Trump ahead of 2020.

I doubt there will be a big rush to impeachment though. I think you could make an argument that part of the Dem losses in the Senate are due to the backlash over the Kananaugh circus. I think the Dems will be a bit smarter in picking their next battles instead of just shooting at everything.

As Bilge_Rat stated concerning impeachment proceedings. All in unison will scream impeachment at any given moment to put Trump in a bad light. Trump does that by using Twitter! No needed help from the democrats. The argument that those(dems) that lost also voted No to Kavanaugh stands as just that, IMO.

I would hope the battle the dems are looking to wage is working together and moving forward. I can't take more years of investigations, distractions and general nonsense that impede moving forward on anything of substance.

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Well that was a let down dam media hype. So its back to gridlock screaming and blaming each other.

Just another day in the good ole' US of A!

Mr Quatro · 11-07-18, 12:10 PM

To defeat the democrat's in 2020 all the GOP will need a commercial with all of the dumb things Pelosi has ever said
or I should state that she will say as leader of the House majority

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

To defeat the democrat's in 2020 all the GOP will need a commercial with all of the dumb things Pelosi has ever said
or I should state that she will say as leader of the House majority

She is a twit. Totally out of touch with reality.

Platapus · 11-07-18, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Doesn't the Senate have the authority to stop any impeachment attempt?

No, the Senate has no part in the initial impeachment process. That decision is up to the House and specifically the Speaker of the House.

Once articles of Impeachment have been approved, only then does the Senate get involved.

The House is in control of Impeachment
The Senate is in control of the Impeachment trial.

Platapus · 11-07-18, 02:24 PM

I think it would be a big mistake to put Pelosi as Speaker. She would be better served as Majority Leader or Majority Whip.

She had her term. They need to bring in someone without the history and baggage that Pelosi brings.

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I think it would be a big mistake to put Pelosi as Speaker. She would be better served as Majority Leader or Majority Whip.

She had her term. They need to bring in someone without the history and baggage that Pelosi brings.

Understand the Pelosi running the house is a gift to Trump. He wants her there as she is a blithering idiot. Throw in Maxine Waters. The dynamic duo of what is wrong with the democratic party. Two the best moving targets Trump could ask for.

AVGWarhawk · 11-07-18, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

No, the Senate has no part in the initial impeachment process. That decision is up to the House and specifically the Speaker of the House.

Once articles of Impeachment have been approved, only then does the Senate get involved.

The House is in control of Impeachment
The Senate is in control of the Impeachment trial.

High crimes and misdemeanors. Let the waste of time inquiries begin......sigh....

11-07-18, 10:34 AM	#5791
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,727 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Texas, the Red State Bastion This midterm election, Texas was a battleground. Newcomer Robert O'rourke, who campaigned as "Beto" to pander to the Hispanic population, gave the incumbent Ted Cruz an honest run for his money... in a state that has not elected democrat leadership since i was a fifth grader. thats 30 years ago. Robert O'rourke is hardly the ideal political candidate for those unfamiliar with him. but so few of our candidates are these days. In 1996 he was arrested for breaking and entering into the physical plant of the University of Texas El Paso. The university suddenly and abruptly dropped the charges against him and his friends, some allege this abrupt change in stance occurred after his wealthy father made a substantial donation to the university. Unable to stay out of trouble, O'Rourke was arrested again two years later for crashing a car on Interstate 10 while driving under the influence of alcohol, but he negotiated out of the charges in exchange for taking a DWI course. Under republican leadership there has been much to talk about in the state. Texas leads the nation in jobs growth, in fact there have been 28 continuous months in a row to date of positive jobs growth in the state. In a whole slew of new rankings, Texas leads the nation. Numerous independent sources site Texas as the number one state for doing business, number one for export revenues, number one for livestock revenues... the state has no personal income tax, and a median household income on par with the national middle class. Though there was no "blue wave victory" in the state of Texas like many of my liberal colleagues aggressively touted about on facebook and other social media platforms... Ted Cruz, the incumbent republican, won re-election by a margin of only a quarter million votes... out of a total of over 8,000,000 voters who showed up at the polls. While republicans in the state today wake up to victory, it is important for them to remember that they just won the super bowl, their uniforms stained with blood and mud and dirt... against a brand new rookie franchise... in overtime... by a single field goal. Texas politics is something of a paradox. Under republican leadership we have a booming economy, fastest jobs growth in the nation, minuscule unemployment, we are attracting more businesses and industries... yet as all of this attracts more people to our great state our urban areas begin to swell and for some reason, they show up at the polls and vote against the very things that attracted them here. it is outside the realm of my intelligence to understand why they vote for socialism, welfare state, pro crime, pro corruption nonsense but here we had 48% of our fellow Texans rush for just that side of the ballot! i consider myself to be a pretty smart guy... but i cannot wrap my head around anyone’s reasoning for voting for illegals and against veterans.... for welfare and against jobs... for poverty ridden socialist agendas and against a job exploding free market. what kind of person wants those things for their state? Personally, my travels have taken me to many of these blue states. they are unhappy, filthy, crime infested, corrupt hell holes in which the homeless are nearly as abundant as the trees. boarded up buildings that literally span miles. thousands of acres of steel mills and factory’s that have churned not a puff of smoke in 40-60 years. in fact, the only boarded up building in my home town... has a "BETO FOR SENATE" political sign prominently displayed out front. go figure. where Texans, and Texas republicans should be concerned... is that 48% of the voting population of the state showed up and voted for a Texas of the unemployed, boarded up variety. 48% Republicans are going to have to work harder and harder every election year to maintain the red state bastion that is the Lone Start State. __________________

11-07-18, 10:47 AM	#5792
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,112 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Thread merge: US Politics. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-07-18, 11:48 AM	#5796
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Well that was a let down dam media hype. So its back to gridlock screaming and blaming each other. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

11-07-18, 11:50 AM	#5797
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	you need a two-thirds majority in the Senate to impeach, i.e. 67 out of 100 senators, so it was always a pipe dream. However, the Democrats may launch impeachment proceedings just to generate negative publicity against Trump ahead of 2020. I doubt there will be a big rush to impeachment though. I think you could make an argument that part of the Dem losses in the Senate are due to the backlash over the Kananaugh circus. I think the Dems will be a bit smarter in picking their next battles instead of just shooting at everything. __________________

11-07-18, 12:10 PM	#5800
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	To defeat the democrat's in 2020 all the GOP will need a commercial with all of the dumb things Pelosi has ever said or I should state that she will say as leader of the House majority __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

11-07-18, 02:24 PM	#5803
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,404 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I think it would be a big mistake to put Pelosi as Speaker. She would be better served as Majority Leader or Majority Whip. She had her term. They need to bring in someone without the history and baggage that Pelosi brings. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.