Qatar vs Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt et al

Von Due · 06-05-17, 10:43 AM

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Bahrain, Yemen, the Maldives have cut ties with Qatar over allegations of supporting terrorist groups in the region as well as being a destabiliser. One thing that strikes me is:
Iranian news are low voiced over the terrorist bit but more than suggests it's all a Saudi plot to gain control. No big surprise there.
Egyptian news are on about the Muslim Brotherhood which is declared a terrorist organisation in Egypt.
Jerusalem Post are on about Hamas.
Saudi news are on about ISIS and Al Qaeda as well as Qatar's Iranian ties. As surprising as Iran's hints of Saudi plots.
They all point to "homely" groups if pointing at all.

Another issue that is more concerning is, if this escalates, it will affect negatively the threat level across not only the region but across Europe and the US as well.

Escalation is absolutely not something anyone need.

Moonlight · 06-05-17, 11:20 AM

The on going proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia that's taking place in Yemen is going to escalate into a full scale conflict sooner rather than later.
Iran and Saudi Arabia, are already fighting a war in six key areas, the military, diplomatic, economic, religious, terrorism and the propaganda fronts, just how the hell are they going to keep a lid on that mess, one false step and all hell will break loose, its just what that region needs right now.

Jimbuna · 06-05-17, 11:27 AM

I sure hope the western countries aren't drawn in but that is probably already too late.

Von Due · 06-05-17, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I sure hope the western countries aren't drawn in but that is probably already too late.

It would largely depend on how much the US and SA want to hold hands. So far the US has expressed the necessity of keeping Qatar in the team in the Yemen crisis in particular, while SA wants Qatar out of the team. Right now there is little other than allegations from all sides with little hard evidence out to and through the media, other than old known facts about Iran and SA's roles in terrorism and the feud between the two. If the US chooses side which almost certainly would be pro SA and pro-while-pinching-their-noses Egypt, then Europe is likely to follow.

Skybird · 06-05-17, 01:11 PM

One of the global main financiers of Muslim terrorism. A real major player in this field.

ikalugin · 06-05-17, 02:03 PM

All the weapons sales, all the oil price rises, all money being moved from islamist pockets into Russian ones.

Schroeder · 06-05-17, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

One of the global main financiers of Muslim terrorism. A real major player in this field.

I find it funny that Saudi Arabia accuses another country of financing terrorism...

Skybird · 06-05-17, 03:40 PM

^Yes. And then there is Iran, and Marocco.

Yes. Marocco. I assume most people would not guess that one.

Jimbuna · 06-05-17, 03:45 PM

Do you mean 'Morocco' Sky or am I missing something?

Von Due · 06-05-17, 03:53 PM

Any info on state sponsored terrorist groups in Morocco?

Edit: Found this piece on the pre-2016 situation
http://mediterraneanaffairs.com/2720-2/

Skybird · 06-05-17, 06:06 PM

Marocco, Morocco - I prefer Espresso. "Marokko" it is in German.

Who said it is officially, formally state sponsored terrorism? Its that not in case of Quatar. Not in case of Saudi arabia. Not in case of Mao... Moa... - you know which state. the money flows in all states via private financiers, rich Scheichs and families - which nevertheless are very close to the state leaderships and could not act unpunished and unsanctioned without the leaderships knowing and tolerating it. And that is what makes this private terrorism state-run terrorism. The difference is just deceptive.

Its as if claiming that those industrial corporations in the Third Reich that were not formally nationalised and remained formally in private ownership, were not obedient to political and production orders by the government. Nobody would argue they did not work for the Reich and supported it with their production. Of course they did, nationalised or not.

Many terrorists of the past 16 years also were from Morocco.

Morocco also was the place of terror strikes in the past, against tourists, already before the IS arrived.

I know most people see it only as a relatively moderate holiday ressort. But there is more to it.

Von Due · 06-05-17, 06:55 PM

In Qatar's case, it reportedly is a bit more than private funds working in secrecy, with members of the royal family directly involved, high profile organisations funnelig money to train terrorists abroad, something that would be very difficult if the Govt there didn't turn a blind eye, and with persons central in terror organisations finding shelter in Qatar, again very difficult without the Govt's (silent?) approval.

It's not easy to separate all facts from fiction when accusers like SA are themselves pretty much tied down by "strong loyal supporters" of the Sauds. Supporters who in turn ask for nothing more than the king's and the Govt's silent approval of extremists being based there, or else the king might find himself facing another, more determined 1979.

Von Due · 06-06-17, 09:26 AM

As for the question on western involvement, this could settle it
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40175935

Mr Quatro · 06-06-17, 10:16 AM

Watch they will all kiss an make up

mapuc · 06-06-17, 02:25 PM

Help me out here friends

Saudi-Arabia and some other countries have cut their diplomatically thing with Qatar, due to accusation of supporting terrorist among them ISIS. Qatar is what I have heard a good friend with Iran-It's here I don't get it

Qatar is accused of supporting ISIS who is fighting Assad and his friends among them Iran who is supporting Qatar.

I'm confused.

Markus

06-05-17, 10:43 AM	#1
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Qatar vs Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt et al Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Bahrain, Yemen, the Maldives have cut ties with Qatar over allegations of supporting terrorist groups in the region as well as being a destabiliser. One thing that strikes me is: Iranian news are low voiced over the terrorist bit but more than suggests it's all a Saudi plot to gain control. No big surprise there. Egyptian news are on about the Muslim Brotherhood which is declared a terrorist organisation in Egypt. Jerusalem Post are on about Hamas. Saudi news are on about ISIS and Al Qaeda as well as Qatar's Iranian ties. As surprising as Iran's hints of Saudi plots. They all point to "homely" groups if pointing at all. Another issue that is more concerning is, if this escalates, it will affect negatively the threat level across not only the region but across Europe and the US as well. Escalation is absolutely not something anyone need.

06-05-17, 11:20 AM	#2
Moonlight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,518 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	The on going proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia that's taking place in Yemen is going to escalate into a full scale conflict sooner rather than later. Iran and Saudi Arabia, are already fighting a war in six key areas, the military, diplomatic, economic, religious, terrorism and the propaganda fronts, just how the hell are they going to keep a lid on that mess, one false step and all hell will break loose, its just what that region needs right now. __________________

06-05-17, 11:27 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I sure hope the western countries aren't drawn in but that is probably already too late. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-05-17, 01:11 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One of the global main financiers of Muslim terrorism. A real major player in this field. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-05-17, 02:03 PM	#6
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	All the weapons sales, all the oil price rises, all money being moved from islamist pockets into Russian ones. __________________ Grumpy as always.

06-05-17, 03:40 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^Yes. And then there is Iran, and Marocco. Yes. Marocco. I assume most people would not guess that one. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-05-17, 03:45 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Do you mean 'Morocco' Sky or am I missing something? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-05-17, 03:53 PM	#10
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Any info on state sponsored terrorist groups in Morocco? Edit: Found this piece on the pre-2016 situation http://mediterraneanaffairs.com/2720-2/ Last edited by Von Due; 06-05-17 at 05:23 PM.

06-05-17, 06:06 PM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Marocco, Morocco - I prefer Espresso. "Marokko" it is in German. Who said it is officially, formally state sponsored terrorism? Its that not in case of Quatar. Not in case of Saudi arabia. Not in case of Mao... Moa... - you know which state. the money flows in all states via private financiers, rich Scheichs and families - which nevertheless are very close to the state leaderships and could not act unpunished and unsanctioned without the leaderships knowing and tolerating it. And that is what makes this private terrorism state-run terrorism. The difference is just deceptive. Its as if claiming that those industrial corporations in the Third Reich that were not formally nationalised and remained formally in private ownership, were not obedient to political and production orders by the government. Nobody would argue they did not work for the Reich and supported it with their production. Of course they did, nationalised or not. Many terrorists of the past 16 years also were from Morocco. Morocco also was the place of terror strikes in the past, against tourists, already before the IS arrived. I know most people see it only as a relatively moderate holiday ressort. But there is more to it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-05-17 at 06:23 PM.

06-05-17, 06:55 PM	#12
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	In Qatar's case, it reportedly is a bit more than private funds working in secrecy, with members of the royal family directly involved, high profile organisations funnelig money to train terrorists abroad, something that would be very difficult if the Govt there didn't turn a blind eye, and with persons central in terror organisations finding shelter in Qatar, again very difficult without the Govt's (silent?) approval. It's not easy to separate all facts from fiction when accusers like SA are themselves pretty much tied down by "strong loyal supporters" of the Sauds. Supporters who in turn ask for nothing more than the king's and the Govt's silent approval of extremists being based there, or else the king might find himself facing another, more determined 1979.

06-06-17, 09:26 AM	#13
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	As for the question on western involvement, this could settle it http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40175935

06-06-17, 10:16 AM	#14
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Watch they will all kiss an make up __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

06-06-17, 02:25 PM	#15
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,537 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Help me out here friends Saudi-Arabia and some other countries have cut their diplomatically thing with Qatar, due to accusation of supporting terrorist among them ISIS. Qatar is what I have heard a good friend with Iran-It's here I don't get it Qatar is accused of supporting ISIS who is fighting Assad and his friends among them Iran who is supporting Qatar. I'm confused. Markus