Brexit ?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

A Polish centre in Hammersmith was vandalized today. Seems like Brexit has emboldened the racists, who are out in force. Man, I hate to see this sort of asshattery. I'm sure plenty there do as well.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36634621

Sick.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sick.

Galatians 6:7

[Admiral Halsey]

Out of Curiosity what would happen to Scotland if the do leave the UK but the EU blocks them from entering due to certain members own independence group problems? Buyers remorse even worse then the UK right now?

[Reece]

Take heart and remember:

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

A Polish centre in Hammersmith was vandalized today. Seems like Brexit has emboldened the racists, who are out in force. Man, I hate to see this sort of asshattery. I'm sure plenty there do as well.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36634621

Anyone dumb enough to be a knuckle dragging mouthbreather nationalist is not smart enough to understand what brexit is about and we can really blame the media (again) for giving them airtime.
This kind a crap happens all the time, but it's intereating to report it if there isn't a semi related issue going on.

It's same in Slovenia. There's a "južnake v smetnake" (southeners/bosnians in trash cans) graffiti in Jesenice for 30 years straight and no one gave it much thought until the migrant crisis started, after which it was medias symbol of slovene anti islamic movement.

[Catfish]

^ True. The media should have the decency to support their people, rather than to polarize them in this situation.
But for the media, bad news is good news. At least for certain loo papers like "Bild" in Germany and the "Sun" in England.

@Reece: This is very old. And no wonder that the Royals prefer their country to be out of the EU
And, of course, the Sun lied, again
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...xit-front-page
But seriously, even if it was the Queen's opinion, what she says does not matter. She has no say about politics. Certainly the EU has left its tracks and needs some correction to say at least. Would be better if the Queen said something against xenophobia. It is perfectly possible that she did, but that it did not make it into the "Sun"'s article

Also, Cameron making shortsighted "deals" that prefer the UK before other nations, but not trying to make necessary corrections as a whole for the whole EU..? The EU is not a self-service shop.


Secession, financial ruin and racism are bad for a nation. The UK chose to leave the European Union because of anti-immigration sentiments and politicians who specialize in selling fear. Xenophobia has been there all the time, it is just in times as such that those hooligans show themselves openly. Farage will be happy, his supporters are coming out of their holes. The UK has not deserved this

[Rockstar]

this is great stuff a one stop shop for the latest hysteria, accusations of xenophobia, racisim, questionable photographic evidence of nationalism, threats of starvation, end of the world, divisive politics, doom preachers quoting the bible, it's all here.

[Catfish]

»Meanwhile India is just blown away, that you can get Britain to leave by voting«

Had they known that earlier..

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's a slight understatement. There will be riots if they try that, or at the very least a lot of protests.

One potential wiggle way out is through Nippy. If I were a Remain supporting political leader who found my way into Number 10 I would consider making a quiet deal with Sturgeon that she blocks Article 50 in return for a drip feed of greater devolution and perhaps even a date for a second referendum for independence. That way, the English parliament can blame Sturgeon for the UK staying in the EU and Sturgeon can say that she fought for Scotlands corner, and she also gets bonus goodies down the road.
The big downside is that there will be a massive uprise in anti-Scottish sentiment in the English public...although that would play nicely into Sturgeons hands in encouraging and winning a second independence referendum.

A long shot but a possibility.

[MGR1]

Hmmmm. That depends on whether the SNP actually try to block Article 50 at Holyrood.

What seems to escape people's notice is that Westminster can overrule Holyrood any time it wishes, it just chooses not to:

Quote Brian Taylor again:

Does it mean Holyrood has a veto over Brexit?

This scenario is based upon an interpretation of the Scotland Act 1998, the statute which created (or, rather, recreated) the Scottish Parliament.
Clause 29 of that Act, anent legislative competence, empowers the Scottish Parliament to legislate in the devolved areas for which it is responsible - while obliging it to take care that nothing it does is "incompatible" with EU law.
In short, EU law has force in Scotland and, in devolved areas, is enacted and implemented by the Scottish Parliament, not Westminster.

That has led constitutional experts, such as Sir David Edward to suggest that the consent of the Scottish Parliament would be required were it to be suggested that the UK's relationship with the EU, in legislation and other areas, might be altered.
Sir David made this point in evidence to a House of Lords inquiry. Their Lordships report cited Sir David as envisaging that there might be "certain political advantages" to be drawn from withholding consent.
Which is true. It is further true that it is an established Convention (formerly known as the Sewel Convention) that the Westminster Parliament should not interfere in devolved areas without the consent of Holyrood. Such agreement is customarily given via a legislative consent motion, LCM, at Holyrood.
So does that mean Holyrood has a veto over Brexit? Up to a point, Lord Copper. Firstly, one should understand that relations with the EU have a long and complex history, in the context of the demands for self-government.

What does the law say?

A seat at the EU top table has long been a prize sought after by supporters of independence. Even those who backed devolution, rather than full independence, foresaw that Scotland would develop her own relations with the EU, in consort with the UK.
Thus the White Paper of 1997 which led to the 1998 Act fudged the issue. It said that dealing with the EU was a matter for Westminster, alongside foreign affairs.
But it suggested that the UK government would seek to consult the devolved administration in Scotland and take account of its views.
Let us turn now to statute. The 1998 Act proceeds by specifying the issues which are reserved to Westminster - then grandly declaring that everything else is devolved.

• Schedule V to that Act lists the reserved areas. At sub-clause 7, it is noted that "international relations, including relations with territories outside the United Kingdom, the European Union and other international organisations" etc….."are reserved matters." They are, in short, Westminster's purlieu.

• However, it then goes on to note that this reservation does not include obligations under EU law.

• Hence, Nicola Sturgeon's argument that Holyrood is entitled to a say: based upon the legal formula which obliges Scotland to adhere to EU law. Westminster might usefully point to the broader Schedule V, reserving relations with the EU to the UK.

• Then there is a further point. Clause 28 of the 1998 Act notes at sub-clause 7, in dry terms, with regard to legislative competence that "this section does not affect the power of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to make laws for Scotland."

In that single little line is the subordinate nature of devolution. Generally, Westminster will let the Scottish Parliament get on with devolved legislation. Carry on governing. But it is also made clear that Westminster's ultimate sovereignty over the UK, the entire UK, is unaffected.
So it could be argued - it is already being argued - that, if it came to a constitutional battle, Westminster would have the final say. Holyrood might withhold consent for the legislative moves to implement Brexit. Westminster might note such a verdict, no doubt with polite gratitude - then proceed to implement Brexit, exercising its over-riding sovereignty.

So, if Holyrood tries anything cute, Westminster will just override it. Also remember, as Parliament is the Sovereign Power in the UK, it can dismantle the devolution settlement and close down Holyrood if it felt it was necessary.

It might be political dynamite, but direct rule from Westminster is still a possibility, as it is for Wales and Northern Ireland.

Mike.

[Skybird]

I know I know, its the Daily Mail, and still - others report similarly:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-Brexit.html

Comment in a German magazine: its like a death penalty without executioner.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Catfish

»Meanwhile India is just blown away, that you can get Britain to leave by voting«

Had they known that earlier..

It would have saved ammunition:

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

this is great stuff a one stop shop for the latest hysteria, accusations of xenophobia, racisim, questionable photographic evidence of nationalism, threats of starvation, end of the world, divisive politics, doom preachers quoting the bible, it's all here.

We're just getting it in before you lot do the same in November.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I know I know, its the Daily Mail, and still - others report similarly:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-Brexit.html

It's entirely possible, I don't blame the diplomats for believing that, it certainly seems as though none of the Brexit campaigners had an actual plan for what would happen or be said or done if they actually won.
Then, of course, you add on to that the fact that most of the Brexit campaign was based upon Britain likely taking a Norway style approach to the EU, becoming a member of the single market...but one of the rules of being a member of that market is that you have to accept free movement of workers from EU nations, which is in direct contradiction to UKIPs wish to halt the free movement of workers from the EU to the UK.

So, basically, aside from losing all the EU funding that we receive, and throwing away our position in the EU decision making process, not a great deal is going to change...certainly not this Australian points based system that so many have talked about.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

We're just getting it in before you lot do the same in November.

November ??
They've been at it for 2 years.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

November ??
They've been at it for 2 years.

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