The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Rockstar]

Seems to me blaming terrorism on western civilization, dates in history etc etc. In my opinion excuses the behavior and defends the actions of these murderous religious zeolots.

Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

No, there we disagree. There were plenty of bombings and suicide attacks in the ME before and after 9/11. You want to pinpoint a time for blame, how about 1948?

I know there were. Even before 1948.
But those had some political goal, some statement. And no one shot up Paris because the Palestinians were mistreated by Israel.
Today we got them gunning down people just because and not to release some Ahmed bin Whatshisnameini from Mosad prison.

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Seems to me blaming terrorism on western civilization, dates in history etc etc. In my opinion excuses the behavior and defends the actions of these murderous religious zeolots.

Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

Our hands are not clean when it comes to this mess.
Thinking that would be naive. But on the other hand, blaming ourselves completely and thinking we deserve this would be moronic.

Defeatism and denial are not a combination to fight this threat.

[Betonov]

Meanwhile in some less obvious spawn pools of terrorism, Erdogan the Moronic demands Germany forsakes freedom of speech and take down .
The producers of the video responded by ading Turk and English subtitles.

[Oberon]

Oooh, have to watch that video, Erdogan is a jerk and poor Ataturk is spinning in his grave so fast that he could be used to power the whole country.

EDIT: Ha, brilliant vid. Going to retweet that, get some more views on it

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

EDIT: Ha, brilliant vid. Going to retweet that, get some more views on it

Do it, once it spreads over the interwebz it will stay there even if frau Merkel bends over

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Do it, once it spreads over the interwebz it will stay there even if frau Merkel bends over

That's the idea, about 3 million views there, I don't think even Sultan Erdogan can remove it, sadly he can just ban it from being viewed in Turkey....buuuut, there's such a thing as proxies.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Unlike the Nazi ideology, Muslims have not invaded Poland and France with large armies.

Back to history classes, Neal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

Maybe not Poland, but there must be reasons why you nevertheless see so many artifacts of Islamic influence in Spain, France, Southern Italy and Sicily, Greece, the Adriatic area, the Ukrainian area, Austria...

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The producers of the video responded by ading Turk and English subtitles.

Looks like the Turkish subtitles are gone again...who would have thought....

They definitely need to be part of the EU!

[danasan]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Looks like the Turkish subtitles are gone again...who would have thought....

They definitely need to be part of the EU!

"Let me buy an "Ü"....

Bing, Bing, Bing....

Sorry for that insider - joke.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Maybe not Poland, but there must be reasons why you nevertheless see so many artifacts of Islamic influence in Spain, France, Southern Italy and Sicily, Greece, the Adriatic area, the Ukrainian area, Austria...

But those were textbook conquests done before by Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Ugabuga tribe invading the Ugauga tribe...
Enlargement of the tax base than spread of ideology. Religion was means to inspire troops, not the reason.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

No, there we disagree. There were plenty of bombings and suicide attacks in the ME before and after 9/11. You want to pinpoint a time for blame, how about 1948?

Actually, if you really want to find the seeds of this modern mess, you can go back to the time of T.E. Lawrence and the Arab Uprising in WWI. Much like the situation with Native-Americans in the US, Britain made a lot of promises to the Arab tribes and leaders, virtually all of which were summarily broken; and, in a foreshadowing of the US training the the Taliban to fight the USSR only to have them turn around and use the training against the US, the British gave the then Arab tribes the means to further down the line use their training against the West. Politically, the wheeling and dealing behind the scenes by the UK and France, primarily, set up the bitter tribal, geographical, and sectarian religious conflicts in the ME plaguing the world today. The roots are very old and very bitter...


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[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vienna

Actually, if you really want to find the seeds of this modern mess, you can go back to the time of T.E. Lawrence and the Arab Uprising in WWI. Much like the situation with Native-Americans in the US, Britain made a lot of promises to the Arab tribes and leaders, virtually all of which were summarily broken; and, in a foreshadowing of the US training the the Taliban to fight the USSR only to have them turn around and use the training against the US, the British gave the then Arab tribes the means to further down the line use their training against the West. Politically, the wheeling and dealing behind the scenes by the UK and France, primarily, set up the bitter tribal, geographical, and sectarian religious conflicts in the ME plaguing the world today. The roots are very old and very bitter...


<O>

Indeed, that's certainly been one of the biggest causes in modern history, but you can probably go back a bit further to the crusades and that, these wars have flared up from time to time over history, but yes, that's given a cassus belli for the hatred against the west, which has just been added to over the years since.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Our hands are not clean when it comes to this mess.
Thinking that would be naive. But on the other hand, blaming ourselves completely and thinking we deserve this would be moronic.

Defeatism and denial are not a combination to fight this threat.

What do you mean by "our hands are not clean"? Why do they commit acts of terrorism, blow up neighborhoods, airports, each other and civilians?

Really if its something we have done, if its because our hands are not clean, what can we do, apart from submitting, that would dissuade the members of the religion of peace from continuing on their course of action of blowing stuff up and killing people?

If it was a secular political organization, nation or state we could take politcal action. But these are religious zealots whose alliegence is to their imans and religious texts

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Back to history classes, Neal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna

Maybe not Poland, but there must be reasons why you nevertheless see so many artifacts of Islamic influence in Spain, France, Southern Italy and Sicily, Greece, the Adriatic area, the Ukrainian area, Austria...

Sorry, man, my joke went right over your head. Keep your history lessons.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Betonov

But those were textbook conquests done before by Romans, Persians, Egyptians, Ugabuga tribe invading the Ugauga tribe...
Enlargement of the tax base than spread of ideology. Religion was means to inspire troops, not the reason.

So what? The claim was that there never was an Islamic aggression into Europe. Historic truth is that the Islamic aggression into Europe was a repeated and enduring one, and lasted centuries and Europe was lucky on at least two if not three occaisons that luck - pure luck! - turned the chances in its favour: it is anything but natural that today we are not already fully Islamic since centuries - and this mission of Islam for all the world is being claimed to continue by other means today, many Islamic leaders since years and decades time and again have reassured the world. From state presidents to university presidents to clerics, from people the West shakes hands with and people it claims to be "radicals", from "moderate intellectuals" to religious dumbheads.

Islam was born by violence and aggression, and always has spread by intimidation, aggression, conquest, bribery. In its wake you find so many almost or in fact shattered, killed, burned down cultures. Islam is the biggest and longest lasting military/violent conquest of known human history. Bigger than the Romans. Bigger than Alexander. Bigger than the Mongoles. M;uhammad already has raided other caravans and killed men before he ever made the news as a kahin for the first time. He was a bandit and gangster, leading around caravans by his uncle and plundering caravans he met underway, that simple. What kind of message do you expect from somebody with this biography...? A gospel of justice, fairness and human kindness...???