Who Started World War II?

[Fahnenbohn]

So, World War II could have been avoided. If Poland would have not rejected all Hitler's negociation proposals, then war against Poland would never have taken place. But even after the German troops entered in Poland, peace was still possible, and the Britain and French politicians knew that : Hitler has always been ready for peaceful solutions. But for Britain, it was the proper moment for declaring war on Germany without appearing to be the aggressor. This war was not declared to save Poland, but to annihilate the German Third Reich. Who took advantage of this war except the guns manufacturers and international speculators ?



Hitler wanted peace for Europe.

[Jimbuna]

Thanks for your efforts in coming to your conclusion. There are 21 hours for people to respond if they care to.

[HunterICX]

Conclussion: Cutting sentences, conveniently ignoring evidence and facts to fit your view and claiming that there is some grand allied plot that is out there to destroy German credibility by manufacturing the History as we know it.

*sigh* I've seen more plausible items on the History Channel.

Could go more into Depth but I can conclude out of the previous back and forth arguments in this thread where many pointed out some errors in your statements you simply choise to ignore them, nothing much changed apart from the fact that the same claims are just put down into a opinionated biased documents which again proof nothing.

Hitler wanted peace?
His Book tells otherwise, his speeches tells otherwise and his actions tells otherwise.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Conclussion: Cutting sentences, conveniently ignoring evidence and facts to fit your view and claiming that there is some grand allied plot

Wonderful accusatory inversion ...

In Nuremberg, the German chiefs were presented as "plotters against peace". Hello Big Brother !

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Ow look.....another holocaust denier.
Calling bluntly the survivors of the Oradour Massacre outright liars, he takes it up for the scum that is known as the Das Reich Division of the Waffen SS.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

All sources are provided. All is verifiable. You just have to open the original books (not those written by propagandists and academics who are copying on one another, but the real historical sources), and read.

It's verifiable that it is nothing but revisionist garbage which ignores the facts, evidence and alters testimonies for their own convinience to make pethatic statements which just slaps the one who died horribly at the hands of a failed Austrian painter in the face.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Wonderful accusatory inversion ...

Funny, it's what sums up everything you said so far.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

It's verifiable that it is nothing but revisionist garbage which ignores the facts, evidence and alters testimonies for their own convinience to make pethatic statements.

Another accusatory inversion. What you are saying has never been demonstrated. The only answer to their arguments is persecution. This is a complete admission !

The historical truth contradicts your paradigm. You are simply not able to go against that. For you, Hitler is the big bad wolf. OK, the discussion stops there with you.

[Cybermat47]

Fahnenbohn, to be frank, it seems to me that you believe anything said by Goebbels to be truth, and anything said by the Allies to be a lie. That's honestly a terrible attitude to have when you're looking for the truth. You shouldn't believe anything anyone says if you want to find the truth.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

it seems to me that you believe anything said by Goebbels to be truth

???

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

So, World War II could have been avoided. If Poland would have not rejected all Hitler's negociation proposals, then war against Poland would never have taken place. But even after the German troops entered in Poland, peace was still possible, and the Britain and French politicians knew that : Hitler has always been ready for peaceful solutions.

Hitler wanted peace for Europe.

Obersalzberg Speech August 22, 1939

Poland will be depopulated and settled with Germans. My pact with the Poles was merely conceived of as a gaining of time.


— Adolf Hitler

http://teach.yauger.net/apworld/unit...ersalzberg.pdf

Special Prosecution Book-Poland

Nearly two years before the invasion of the Second Polish Republic, between 1937 and 1939, the Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen was being secretly prepared in Germany. It was compiled by the “Zentralstelle IIP Polen” (Central Unit IIP-Poland) unit of the Geheime Staatspolizei or Gestapo ("Secret State Police") with help from the German minority living in pre-war Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specia...on_Book-Poland

Operation Tannenberg

Operation Tannenberg (German: Unternehmen Tannenberg) was a codename for one of the extermination actions by Nazi Germany that was directed at the Polish nationals during the opening stages of World War II in Europe

The shootings were conducted with the use of a proscription lists (Sonderfahndungsbuch Polen), compiled by the Gestapo in the span of two years before the 1939 attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg

Intelligenzaktion

Intelligenzaktion , intelligentsia action, was a highly secretive genocidal action of Nazi Germany against Polish elites (primarily intelligentsia; teachers, doctors, priests, community leaders etc.) in the early stages of World War II.

Once more the Führer must point out that the Poles can only have one master, and that is the German; two masters cannot and must not exist side by side; therefore all representatives of the Polish intelligentsia should be eliminated [umbringen]. This sounds harsh, but such are the laws of life.

— Adolf Hitler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intell...on#cite_note-9

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by u crank

Obersalzberg Speech August 22, 1939

Source : From Documents on British Foreign Policy, 1919–1939, ed. E.L. Woodward and Rohan Butler, 3rd series (London: HMSO, 1954), 7:258–60.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Source : From Documents on British Foreign Policy, 1919–1939, ed. E.L. Woodward and Rohan Butler, 3rd series (London: HMSO, 1954), 7:258–60.

Meanwhile, books published by the German Foreign Office during the war are completely reliable.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Source : From Documents on British Foreign Policy, 1919–1939, ed. E.L. Woodward and Rohan Butler, 3rd series (London: HMSO, 1954), 7:258–60.

Vincent Reynouard.