Who Started World War II?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Until you prove your mumbo-jumbo ''Hitler was a good guy'' phantasm so are you

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Until you prove your mumbo-jumbo ''Hitler was a good guy'' phantasm so are you

Does anyone believe anything is going to be proven by this "translation" of "official documents" by an anonymous forum poster with admitted sympathies toward Nazi Germany?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Does anyone believe anything is going to be proven by this "translation" of "official documents" by an anonymous forum poster with admitted sympathies toward Nazi Germany?

Exactly, besides everyone knows the real cause of World War Two:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...warearth12.htm



(with thanks to HunterICX who found this gem but didn't want to post it at the time)

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Stop wasting time trying to re-arrange the roles here as it's YOU who has to provide and you've only got a week left so ''tick-tock-tick-tock''

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Steve, I think you may safely close this thread as no proof is coming and he's had time to humiliate himself by its absence. Fahrenbahn ist kaput.

Originally Posted by Dowly

He's got a week to produce his evidence.

It has already been stated...

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The thread will have a finite lifespan of a further week or so to give the obvious party sufficient time to produce translated evidence as was originally promised.

That time is shortly after 18:00 GMT on Tuesday 26th.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Does anyone believe anything is going to be proven by this "translation" of "official documents" by an anonymous forum poster with admitted sympathies toward Nazi Germany?

Probably most definitely not but we did agree earlier that he would be given the chance to put his case forward provided he didn't breach the forum rules.

I'm on Skype atm if you're able.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Probably most definitely not but we did agree earlier that he would be given the chance to put his case forward provided he didn't breach the forum rules.

That's fine with me, I guess there will some entertainment value.

[Mr Quatro]

Shouldn't this thread be moved over to: "The last person to post wins"

[Fahnenbohn]

Guys, I want you to stop polluting my thread.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

That time is shortly after 18:00 GMT on Tuesday 26th.

Probably just as well that this nonsense is wrapped up before the 27th, given what it is in the UK that day.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Probably just as well that this nonsense is wrapped up before the 27th, given what it is in the UK that day.

^Precisely

[Rockin Robbins]

As for my simply stipulating that Fahr... made the claim and Steve denying that he did so, here are some, but not all the holocaust denials by Fahr... in this thread:

Originally Posted by Cybermat47
11000000 people are known to have died in the Holocaust alone.
Originally posted by Fahr...That's absolutely wrong, but I don't have the right to talk about this subject on this forum.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

If revisionist thesis on Jews' extermination were wrong, it would be easy for historians to organize a debate in which they would eventually ridicule the liars. But what happens is the opposite ! The revisionist historians are asking for a debate for years, and the only answer is always : this historical fact is incontestable. So I say : we have the right to request proof of the official historians' competence prior to believe them. They have to debate... but now, it is forbidden ... strange, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

But in the facts, that's what happens in France, because persecution is the ONLY answer to the revisionist's thesis, which is far from ridiculous and light. Some historians have worked over 50 years of their life on the subject.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

This is obvious that you never heard about revisionists's thesis. Otherwise, you would not say that they are nasty liars ! ...

So Fahr...has repeatedly denied the holocaust. And others have taken him up on it without being warned because they were merely (as I have been) replying to a subject already opened by Fahr...

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Not at all. Here in France, it's literally forbidden to express our opinions on certain historical subjects. Even historians are brought to justice. There is an OFFICIAL thesis (based on a contradictory story, by the bye), and you MUST believe in it.



Yes, exactly. But it is the only way to prevent a debate to take place.
If revisionist thesis on Jews' extermination were wrong, it would be easy for historians to organize a debate in which they would eventually ridicule the liars. But what happens is the opposite ! The revisionist historians are asking for a debate for years, and the only answer is always : this historical fact is incontestable. So I say : we have the right to request proof of the official historians' competence prior to believe them. They have to debate... but now, it is forbidden ... strange, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Catfish

The re-education is of course a fact.
That does not automatically imply that it consisted partially or completely of outright lies.
Nor does it imply that the killings of minorities did not take place.
Some facts, please, and not a book list.


Also, i find it always "interesting", how - on one side - the killing is outright denied, but on the other hand the people claiming the denial obviously have not much sympathy for those minorities, may it be back then or today. So they do have an agenda, and one can easily deduct what would happen, if those people came to power again.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

That's wrong. Even some Jewish intellectuals and rabbis admit that revisionits say the truth. And the only question here is : is it right or wrong ? and not : is it "good" or "bad".

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Good, so don't say that what I say is absurd before I've started to speak.

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here :

The video by David Irving is a video denying the holocaust, introduced by Fahr....

How many times must he specifically deny the holocaust existed before he becomes a holocaust denier? This is not even all the times Fahr... made this claim. I just stopped looking when this post got to ridiculous length. I say whatever standard you wish to erect, he has surpassed it. I stand on my factual statements. They are nothing but a repeating and repudiation of his clearly stated position in this thread.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Does anyone believe anything is going to be proven by this "translation" of "official documents" by an anonymous forum poster with admitted sympathies toward Nazi Germany?

Not really.

Either he will fillibuster the thread or produce an opinion piece by known lia... nazi symphatisers.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Does anyone believe anything is going to be proven by this "translation" of "official documents" by an anonymous forum poster with admitted sympathies toward Nazi Germany?

At best, if the man posts anything but taunts, is that he will post the translation of a speech given by Hitler saying nice things in order to gamble that his enemies will believe what he says and he will stab them in the back.

Fahrenwhoseits entire line of simulated reasoning so far has been to trot out the words of a liar and pretend that they were spoken in good faith. I wouldn't believe Hitler if he told me what he had for lunch. Therefore no words of Hitler can be used to prove he was a great guy who should have been loved by the whole world for his kindness.

Fahrenwhoseit is banking not on us who have a good grasp of history, but on the majority who believe that the world began with their birth and who cannot pick apart the lies he posts. The aim is to translate Hitler into another Napoleon, to be wistfully remembered, not seen as the hateful monster that he really was.

It's especially cool that these Hitler wannabes are so stupid that they deny the holocaust. Which is very intersting and weird because Hitler did not hide the holocaust. He telegraphed that was a primary aim before he took power, Trumpeted it as a supreme achievement of the "master race" while he was in power. The holocaust began before World War II because it was not a secondary effect of the war, it was Hitler's primary motivation! He would kill these people who deny his greatest achievement because they would be traitors to Hitler. It's just astounding how twisted these Neo Nazis are. Their very twistedness guarantees they will never succeed.

[strike]In view of that I think the proper action is to close the thread and let it sink into the anonymity of forgetfulness. [/strike]Even better would be its erasure from the forum entirely as I believe it reflects badly on Subsim even to have the repudiated words of a Hitler apologist hosted here. The world is a much better place with Hitler dead and Subsim would be better if this thread were not part of its archives. Even buried it could be dredged up with search engines and inspire these pitiful sickos.

[Dowly]

There are much worse things to be found in the dusty archives of SUBSIM than this thread.