Cargo Ship Missing in Hurricane Joaquin

Oberon · 10-03-15, 08:33 AM

Nasty, a RO/RO in swells like that...not a good combination. Here's hoping the crew are safe.

Kapitan · 10-03-15, 08:38 AM

Worked on similar vessels she isn't like the Herald or Estonia as she loads from the stern only so in a way she is pretty safe.

But knowing what they are like sea keeping wise I would be fearing the worst.

Aktungbby · 10-03-15, 11:02 AM

The vessel has 391 containers topside and 294 trucks and trailers below deck. That cargo makes the listing problems even worse at sea, The Coast Guard is "very concerned" about the ship and is doing everything it can to locate it. Listing was at 15 degrees in 20-30 seas, force 4-5, and 'taking on water' with no power...

at that list the load will begin to shift. Don't the free-fall orange (Captain Phillips) life boats have radios or reliable position transponders? The ones in the photo are not enclosed type

but I don't know photo date.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 10-03-15, 01:18 PM

At my understanding SOLAS and other regulations require all commercial vessels to have EPIRBs (Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacon) which should activate and deploy automatically when submerged. Ofcourse if ship rolled over completely before they could deploy...

Kapitan · 10-03-15, 03:47 PM

Even if the ship rolls over EPIRB will deploy and transmit

kraznyi_oktjabr · 10-03-15, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Even if the ship rolls over EPIRB will deploy and transmit

Yes, they should.

Quote:

The ESTONIA was equipped with two modern EPIRB buoys (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacons) of type Kannad 406 F.
The last check of the radio beacons was reported to have been made about one week prior to the disaster by the radio operator. The check confirmed that the EPIRBs were in full working order and it has to be assumed that both were left in "switched-on" condition after the test.
Nevertheless, no signals from the two buoys were received in the course of the rescue operation.

From this source, although I have heard this before and if I'm not mistaken it was stated in official report as well.

Buoys not being able to clear the sinking ship is most plausible scenario I can come up with. If someone has better explanation, please throw in your two cents.

EDIT: Previous statement is ofcourse assuming the ship has been lost. Hopefully it hasn''t and this is just an unusual communications problem.

mapuc · 10-03-15, 05:44 PM

I truly hope they will find the crew in some lifeboat or similar, thirsty and hungry but alive

Markus

10-03-15, 08:38 AM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Worked on similar vessels she isn't like the Herald or Estonia as she loads from the stern only so in a way she is pretty safe. But knowing what they are like sea keeping wise I would be fearing the worst. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

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Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,058 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	The vessel has 391 containers topside and 294 trucks and trailers below deck. That cargo makes the listing problems even worse at sea, The Coast Guard is "very concerned" about the ship and is doing everything it can to locate it. Listing was at 15 degrees in 20-30 seas, force 4-5, and 'taking on water' with no power... at that list the load will begin to shift. Don't the free-fall orange (Captain Phillips) life boats have radios or reliable position transponders? The ones in the photo are not enclosed type but I don't know photo date. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!! Last edited by Aktungbby; 10-03-15 at 11:13 AM.

10-03-15, 01:18 PM	#4
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	At my understanding SOLAS and other regulations require all commercial vessels to have EPIRBs (Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacon) which should activate and deploy automatically when submerged. Ofcourse if ship rolled over completely before they could deploy... __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

10-03-15, 03:47 PM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Even if the ship rolls over EPIRB will deploy and transmit __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-03-15, 08:33 AM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Nasty, a RO/RO in swells like that...not a good combination. Here's hoping the crew are safe.

10-03-15, 05:44 PM	#7
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,551 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I truly hope they will find the crew in some lifeboat or similar, thirsty and hungry but alive Markus