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iambecomelife 10-03-15 06:00 AM
Cargo Ship Missing in Hurricane Joaquin
 
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/...quin/73203942/

No word from this ship for quite a few hours...at this point, everyone is hoping it's just a communications failure. I wonder if any subsimmers with nautical experience could say how likely it is that a modern ship could lose all comms?

She's 40 years old and part RO/RO, like the "Estonia" and "Herald of Free Enterprise". 33 crewmembers. Last report said they had flooding and a 15 degree list.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...0.jpg~original

Jimbuna 10-03-15 07:39 AM
Judging by the last report and the fact no new updates are forthcoming I'd be fearing the worst. Hopefully this will have a good ending and she will be sighted soon.

Oberon 10-03-15 08:33 AM
Nasty, a RO/RO in swells like that...not a good combination. Here's hoping the crew are safe.

Kapitan 10-03-15 08:38 AM
Worked on similar vessels she isn't like the Herald or Estonia as she loads from the stern only so in a way she is pretty safe.

But knowing what they are like sea keeping wise I would be fearing the worst.

Aktungbby 10-03-15 11:02 AM
The vessel has 391 containers topside and 294 trucks and trailers below deck. That cargo makes the listing problems even worse at sea, The Coast Guard is "very concerned" about the ship and is doing everything it can to locate it. Listing was at 15 degrees in 20-30 seas, force 4-5, and 'taking on water' with no power...:ping:
at that list the load will begin to shift. Don't the free-fall orange (Captain Phillips) life boats have radios or reliable position transponders? The ones in the photo are not enclosed type https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...l_lifeboat.JPG but I don't know photo date. http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/...photoid=734310

kraznyi_oktjabr 10-03-15 01:18 PM
At my understanding SOLAS and other regulations require all commercial vessels to have EPIRBs (Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacon) which should activate and deploy automatically when submerged. Ofcourse if ship rolled over completely before they could deploy...

Kapitan 10-03-15 03:47 PM
Even if the ship rolls over EPIRB will deploy and transmit

kraznyi_oktjabr 10-03-15 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kapitan (Post 2348831)
Even if the ship rolls over EPIRB will deploy and transmit
Yes, they should.
Quote:
The ESTONIA was equipped with two modern EPIRB buoys (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacons) of type Kannad 406 F.
The last check of the radio beacons was reported to have been made about one week prior to the disaster by the radio operator. The check confirmed that the EPIRBs were in full working order and it has to be assumed that both were left in "switched-on" condition after the test.
Nevertheless, no signals from the two buoys were received in the course of the rescue operation.
From this source, although I have heard this before and if I'm not mistaken it was stated in official report as well.

Buoys not being able to clear the sinking ship is most plausible scenario I can come up with. If someone has better explanation, please throw in your two cents.

EDIT: Previous statement is ofcourse assuming the ship has been lost. Hopefully it hasn''t and this is just an unusual communications problem.

mapuc 10-03-15 05:44 PM
I truly hope they will find the crew in some lifeboat or similar, thirsty and hungry but alive

Markus

kraznyi_oktjabr 10-05-15 10:36 AM
El Faro, Cargo Ship Carrying 28 Americans, Believed to Have Sunk

Quote:
Originally Posted by NBC News
Authorities believe a cargo ship missing since Thursday with 33 crewmen aboard was lost at sea and believed to have sunk in the teeth of Hurricane Joaquin, NBC News has learned.
The families of the crew, including 28 Americans, have been notified. The U.S. Coast Guard said at a news conference Monday morning that it will continue to search for survivors.
The El Faro was likely swallowed by the Category 4 hurricane at its last known location Thursday on the way to San Juan, Puerto Rico, said Coast Guard Captain Mike Fedor. The remnants of the ship are likely 15,000 feet underwater, he said.
On Sunday afternoon, a Coast Guard search vessel had found a 225-square-mile "debris field" of wood, cargo and other items. Fedor said crews also discovered human remains in a survival suit during their search for the ship, but they were "unidentifiable." ---

iambecomelife 10-05-15 05:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr (Post 2349173)

It's looking more grim with every update, although I still hope some of them got off...after all, some survivors in WWII spent months adrift with much more primitive lifeboats than the El Faro's.

If not, then this would be the first major US cargo ship disaster since the "Marine Electric" (correct me if I'm wrong).

In the days to come, hopefully we can find out what went wrong with the ocean routing service or the ship itself. I suppose we must never assume bad things can't happen to a large, modern ship.

August 10-05-15 07:00 PM
Eternal Father strong to save
Whose arm has bound the restless wave
Who bids the mighty ocean deep
It's own appointed limits keep
O hear us when we cry to Thee
For those in Peril on the sea

Jimbuna 10-06-15 08:41 AM
Certainly not looking good.

Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt 10-06-15 12:28 PM
For the italian news, the cargo is with no doubts sunk; but is possible (however unlikely) that some crew people are survived.

Jeff-Groves 10-07-15 09:14 PM
Let's see.
That would be the Bermuda Triangle area?
In a Hurricane?
:hmmm:

Cue Twilight Zone music!
:o


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