Europe's migrant problem

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Congrats on the new job, I bet that's a relief!

It's the old job actually.
I'm a little angry because my pay went down €300/month but I'll take the offer and work on a better pay/job from a much better position.

And about clueless people. I don't expect everyone here to know Europe like they have doctorates. But I believe that reasonable people, like Torplexed and Steve, won't take an arogant know-it-all stance and then spew miss-information. Even myself toned down the anti-gun rhetoric as I slowly figured out that gun laws are above my knowledge. Though I still lash out when someone tries to sell me that Europe is a lawless feudalism because we need permits for guns.
In the same way I'll lash out at every member trying to sell complete bollocks on any Euro topic.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

It's the old job actually.
I'm a little angry because my pay went down €300/month but I'll take the offer and work on a better pay/job from a much better position.

Congratulations Anze.....a step however small but in the right direction.

Good luck on that adventure mate

[ikalugin]

I think I need a shave too.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I think I need a shave too.

I've read somewhere that that is fake, created by the cretins of the EDL.

So, where do we stand now that it's been revealed the young boy and his family had been safe and settled in Turkey for quite a while, had accommodation and job (the father, not the boy) and was only migrating to get free dental work? And why hasn't it been mentioned in this thread so far? Or did I miss it?

[ikalugin]

It is the question many people ask here. If people got adequate security in the border states (ie their basic health and safety needs are filled), then why they emigrate further?

Maybe they are not only running from (violence and destruction) but also to (perceived huge payments, free social housing and excellent healthcare and what not)?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It is the question many people ask here. If people got adequate security in the border states (ie their basic health and safety needs are filled), then why they emigrate further?

Maybe they are not only running from (violence and destruction) but also to (perceived huge payments, free social housing and excellent healthcare and what not)?

Many Danish and Swedish people are asking them self the same question- Why are they travelling through whole Europe-Through several othere safe-haven-countries towards Denmark and Sweden ?

In Denmark, the new government have cut the benefits with about 50 % for newcomer. This from September 1th.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Many Danish and Swedish people are asking them self the same question- Why are they travelling through whole Europe-Through several othere safe-haven-countries towards Denmark and Sweden ?

In Denmark, the new government have cut the benefits with about 50 % for newcomer. This from September 1th.

Markus

That will soon change. There will be widespread protests from current migrants in your country, joined by new immigrants, to let them have citizenship, and more benefits. When they can vote, they have the power to make that happen. And the migrants/refugees will petition to let their extended families enter the country, you cannot separate the families.

[mapuc]

Some days ago I heard some EU-politicians saying

There are two types of those whole fleeing

Refugees and immigrants

These words divided me-

Refugess - Yes we are obligated to help them who's fleeing from wars etc

But are we also obligated to help immigrants ? people who's not fleeing from wars etc

Markus

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Some days ago I heard some EU-politicians saying

There are two types of those whole fleeing

Refugees and immigrants

These words divided me-

Refugess - Yes we are obligated to help them who's fleeing from wars etc

But are we also obligated to help immigrants ? people who's not fleeing from wars etc

Markus

Problem is, we don't know who's a refugee and who's an immigrant.

Great example from yesterday, when our prime minister interviewed this 17yo Iraqi boy in the Refugee center of Oulu. The boy pleaded for our PM to help him.

Well.. turns out this 17yo boy actually turns 20 in November (he looks even older to me) and according to his facebook account, he left Iraq in 2012 and has been travelin all over Europe since then. Turkey, Bulgaria, Hungary, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and now Finland.

He switched his FB account to private earlier today, but the photos I saw there didn't exactly say "I'm a poor refugee".

Photos like this:


And this:



And the most upsetting part is that our media is virtually silent. MTV (who filmed the interview) has now removed the video, so they are well aware of it. Overall, the media in Finland has gone to full-on blackout when it comes to anything negative concerning refugees/immigrants.