Europe's migrant problem

[ikalugin]

It is the question many people ask here. If people got adequate security in the border states (ie their basic health and safety needs are filled), then why they emigrate further?

Maybe they are not only running from (violence and destruction) but also to (perceived huge payments, free social housing and excellent healthcare and what not)?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It is the question many people ask here. If people got adequate security in the border states (ie their basic health and safety needs are filled), then why they emigrate further?

Maybe they are not only running from (violence and destruction) but also to (perceived huge payments, free social housing and excellent healthcare and what not)?

Many Danish and Swedish people are asking them self the same question- Why are they travelling through whole Europe-Through several othere safe-haven-countries towards Denmark and Sweden ?

In Denmark, the new government have cut the benefits with about 50 % for newcomer. This from September 1th.

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[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Many Danish and Swedish people are asking them self the same question- Why are they travelling through whole Europe-Through several othere safe-haven-countries towards Denmark and Sweden ?

In Denmark, the new government have cut the benefits with about 50 % for newcomer. This from September 1th.

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That will soon change. There will be widespread protests from current migrants in your country, joined by new immigrants, to let them have citizenship, and more benefits. When they can vote, they have the power to make that happen. And the migrants/refugees will petition to let their extended families enter the country, you cannot separate the families.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Do you possess any shred of human decency in your body?

Don't waste your time...

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Ok, what's the solution then? Put them back into Syria? Might as well just give half of them to Daesh if you do that.

Sadly having all of them stay permanently ain't an option either if you don't want Europe to destabilize and spiral into chaos that'll brew eventually in yet another conflict where there's a a high possibility that they'll be scapegoated and thrown out or removed by force.

It'll have to be made clear to them their stay in the European countries is only temporary and that once things have calmed down and Daesh is crushed they'll be going back with UN's aid to rebuild their lives.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Sadly having all of them stay permanently ain't an option either if you don't want Europe to destabilize and spiral into chaos that'll brew eventually in yet another conflict where there's a a high possibility that they'll be scapegoated and thrown out or removed by force.

It'll have to be made clear to them their stay in the European countries is only temporary and that once things have calmed down and Daesh is crushed they'll be going back with UN's aid to rebuild their lives.

That would be the solution but it's not going to happen as our politicians don't have the spine for it. The refugees are here to stay with all the problems down the road that that will bring.

[Torplexed]

Certainly one of the by-products of Indian and Pakistani emigration to the UK from the 1940s to the 1970s was a curry house on every avenue.



Here in the US it's burritos and tacos. And thanks to the influx of Vietnamese refugees you can't swing a dead cat in Washington State without hitting a punny pho shop.




So, Germany get ready for kebab and kibbeh in you national diet, if you haven't already.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Certainly one of the by-products of Indian and Pakistani emigration to the UK from the 1940s to the 1970s was a curry house on every avenue.



Here in the US it's burritos and tacos. And thanks to the influx of Vietnamese refugees you can't swing a dead cat in Washington State without hitting a punny pho shop.




So, Germany get ready for kebab and kibbeh in you national diet, if you haven't already.

Yes, sad part is these immigrants get business loans from the government(my tax money) to start all the pho places meanwhile people like my father(his business nearly collapsed during the recession) could not get one.Favoring outsiders over US citizens? sad days. Luckily, he found an investor and things are back on track.

[mapuc]

On a Danish news side I read following

The conservative(C) who's a supporting party to the Government has said Denmark should send not only F-16 to bomb IS, but also special forces to protect civilians in Syria-which mean engage IS, Assad's soldiers and other fighting units in Syria, if they are a threat to civilians.

When I read it, I thought.

Russian soldiers are in Syria and now perhaps Danish Special forces

Not a good cocktail.

Edit. Since Sunday afternoon about 1300 Refugees and Immigrant has crossed the German-Danish Border. It's a little kind of Crisis here in Denmark. Most of them are heading for Sweden. About 500 has vanished, can't be found by the Danish police.


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[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Heck, the Indian and Pakistan influx to the UK helped create one of our national dishes. Chicken Tikka Masala, which despite its foreign sounding name was actually created in the UK, in Glasgow nonetheless.

Never had it, but just by the name, it already sounds five hundred times tastier than haggis.

[ikalugin]

How about:
- Create centralized EU authority do deal with immigrants, with UN overwatch.
- Identify conflict/disaster zones, people from which qualify as refugees.
- Create filtration camps under that authority.
- Dump all illegal immigrants/illegal refugees into those camps.
- In those camps process them and then distribute between EU members per quotas.
- If a person or family are found not to have legitimate reason to seek refuge - deport them.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Ok, what's the solution then? Put them back into Syria? Might as well just give half of them to Daesh if you do that.



Do you possess any shred of human decency in your body?

Sure I do.This has nothing to do with decency or having a heart.This is about proper preservation of nations and not taking in the strays of the world because they have a hard luck story.Ignoring emotions(never will make proper decisions when influenced by emotion ie thinking with ones heart) and looking at this as a realist.Yes, it is sad what is happening in Syria but it does not give these people the right to flood into other countries and they certainly have no right to get angry, protest, clash with police etc because things are not going how they want.

Fact is the world is overcrowded and because of the third world it continues to be so, breeding like animals really.Borders are more important than even to, keep us from the disease etc(look what happened when all the illegal children from south america flooded the us last summer.Suddenly childhood diseases began to spring up everywhere, no coincidence as many of these children came from cesspools with little to no proper healthcare.Really is a sad situation but we must protect our own(legal citizens) and look after our part of the world first.Over time they will figure it out or maybe not, but not our problem.

Bleeding hearts such yourself are the problem in Europe and in the US, ignoring facts of crime, overcrowding, terrorism, debt, dwindling resources in the name of so called "decency".

Insult to injury, the theft(taxes) the government takes from me will pay for the 8,000 Syrians we take in, SMH.

Just waiting for when another attack happens and people act shocked that it turns out to be someone taken in as a Syrian migrant.Whether it is one who already a jihadi and uses it as cover or one who is "angry" at the nation that took him because does not assimilate to his beliefs from dark ages or "oppresses" him lol. This will happen, can bank on it.

[mapuc]

Some days ago I heard some EU-politicians saying

There are two types of those whole fleeing

Refugees and immigrants

These words divided me-

Refugess - Yes we are obligated to help them who's fleeing from wars etc

But are we also obligated to help immigrants ? people who's not fleeing from wars etc

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[Dowly]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Some days ago I heard some EU-politicians saying

There are two types of those whole fleeing

Refugees and immigrants

These words divided me-

Refugess - Yes we are obligated to help them who's fleeing from wars etc

But are we also obligated to help immigrants ? people who's not fleeing from wars etc

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Problem is, we don't know who's a refugee and who's an immigrant.

Great example from yesterday, when our prime minister interviewed this 17yo Iraqi boy in the Refugee center of Oulu. The boy pleaded for our PM to help him.

Well.. turns out this 17yo boy actually turns 20 in November (he looks even older to me) and according to his facebook account, he left Iraq in 2012 and has been travelin all over Europe since then. Turkey, Bulgaria, Hungary, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark and now Finland.

He switched his FB account to private earlier today, but the photos I saw there didn't exactly say "I'm a poor refugee".

Photos like this:


And this:



And the most upsetting part is that our media is virtually silent. MTV (who filmed the interview) has now removed the video, so they are well aware of it. Overall, the media in Finland has gone to full-on blackout when it comes to anything negative concerning refugees/immigrants.

[mapuc]

It's stories like this, that makes me mad, mad at him and other fake refugees

He the others are "working against" them who are really refugees.

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