Glad to see majority of Israeli voters...

[mapuc]

Who's saying that JUST your oppinion is better than an other persons oppinion ??

Sorry, but seeing a subsim member getting mocked just because he has..well a different oppinion..makes me sad.

Markus

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Who's saying that JUST your oppinion is better than an other persons oppinion ??

Sorry, but seeing a subsim member getting mocked just because he has..well a different oppinion..makes me sad.

Markus

Whose opinion is that everyone that had a different opinion and didn't vote for what in his opinion is the only one you should vote for is a brainless person.



Interesting

[corporalspiffy]

Originally Posted by Webster

well since there are more illegal immigrants voting in elections now then American citizens, and since half of those are mindless college kids who have been brainwashed and propagandized by uber liberal America hating socialist academics to believe our country is evil and the cause of all problems in the world, plus less then half the conservatives in this country bother to even vote anymore, what do you think is going to happen?

Adolf Hitler could get elected if he registered as a democrat and the press would make him sound like the answers to every ones problems.

hell the republican party is ruled and being led by liberal socialist rhino republicans that are in lock step with socialist democrats, any conservative republicans are chastised and kept out of any positions of power or decision making. step one is getting rid of the rhino republican hypocrite John Boehner who is really just a socialist democrat who gave Obama everything he ever asked for as long as John Boehner could be the one to take credit for it.

make no mistake about it, until the non-republican republicans can be run out of office, which is at least roughly 60% of the republican party, there will never be a conservative agenda being put forth to bring this country back from its socialist Marxist path it is on.

good rational sensible post. obama is an agent of destruction and in no way has anyone's best interest in mind except his own and that is doubtful. parasites eventually kill the host they live off.

the secular israeli experiment is a failure. a country that justifies its existence and brutality on a biblical mandate and then does nothing to uphold biblical morality is a straw house in a hurricane.

israel is being overrun by sudanese illegal migrants who have no feeling for civilized order, they piss in the streets and terrorize people with their violent impulsiveness.

[Oberon]

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Whose opinion is that everyone that had a different opinion and didn't vote for what in his opinion is the only one you should vote for is a brainless person.



Interesting

That I "fight" for his right to have an opinion is not the same as I agree with him..far from

Best solution..ignore the thread and after few days it will be on page two. Or debate with the person in a good manner.

Markus

[Cybermat47]

Gotta love the way Bubblehead just made this thread and hasn't done anything in it since.

It's a drive-by shooting of my brain cells.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Or debate with the person in a good manner.

IF he only actually debated something

All he does is simple drive by mud throwing to rattle the cage.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

IF he only actually debated something

All he does is simple drive by mud throwing to rattle the cage.

In that you are right..haven't it not been for these mocking post..I had totally ignored this thread.

Markus

[Tchocky]

Funny part is the majority of Israeli voters did nothing like what Bubblehead is claiming in the thread title.

Likud ended up with 23%

[VipertheSniper]

Originally Posted by Webster

well since there are more illegal immigrants voting in elections now then American citizens, and since half of those are mindless college kids who have been brainwashed and propagandized by uber liberal America hating socialist academics to believe our country is evil and the cause of all problems in the world, plus less then half the conservatives in this country bother to even vote anymore, what do you think is going to happen?

Adolf Hitler could get elected if he registered as a democrat and the press would make him sound like the answers to every ones problems.

hell the republican party is ruled and being led by liberal socialist rhino republicans that are in lock step with socialist democrats, any conservative republicans are chastised and kept out of any positions of power or decision making. step one is getting rid of the rhino republican hypocrite John Boehner who is really just a socialist democrat who gave Obama everything he ever asked for as long as John Boehner could be the one to take credit for it.

make no mistake about it, until the non-republican republicans can be run out of office, which is at least roughly 60% of the republican party, there will never be a conservative agenda being put forth to bring this country back from its socialist Marxist path it is on.

WHAT THE HELL?

Can we rename this thread to "the loony bin" or "when I'm joking on the internet, I don't use smilies"

I mean is anything of that to be taken seriously?

[vienna]

Is there a new definition of "majority"? According to the results I've seen, Likud only garnered 23.4% of the total vote, less than a quarter of the total votes cast. This means 76.6% percent of the votes went against Likud, hardly a rousing victory by any measure...


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[CCIP]

Originally Posted by vienna

Is there a new definition of "majority"? According to the results I've seen, Likud only garnered 23.4% of the total vote, less than a quarter of the total votes cast. This means 76.6% percent of the votes went against Likud, hardly a rousing victory by any measure...


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It's called a "plurality", not a majority.
To be fair, in systems like Israel's, real power rests with coalitions rather than individual parties, and if you look at actual results, I certainly do not see any sea change or mandate for a shift in values. Social moderate and economic liberal parties are the ones actually in majority. But many of them are willing to work with Likud on foreign policy, for instance. And despite giving Likud a fairly strong mandate to build a coalition, it's pretty clear to me that the majority of Israeli voters are actually leaning very noticeably the other way.

By my count, the actual result of the election says that the Israeli right had a net loss of 4 seats in this election. No other party on the right besides Likud actually gained any seats. All other gains in this election were by centre or left-wing parties, all of which would be considered extremely liberal by American standards.

Perhaps the real story of this election isn't about Netanyahu, but about how the hard left turn on the economy - that many expected, and not unlike one that the recent elections in Greece saw - didn't actually happen. That's the real story - and for many, a surprise, because it would've seemed obvious that the huge increases in the cost of living and deterioration in the job market and public services had to be foremost on the voters' minds. For one reason or another, I suppose that didn't turn the tide anyway. Otherwise, those on the American right are typically disappointed when they hold up Israel as some sort of model society of their dreams (conveniently promoted to them as such by conservative ideologues), only to discover that as politics, economics and public services go, it's about as secular, liberal, and pluralistic as states get. And I for one hope that it stays that way.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by CCIP

It's called a "plurality", not a majority.
To be fair, in systems like Israel's, real power rests with coalitions rather than individual parties, and if you look at actual results, I certainly do not see any sea change or mandate for a shift in values. Social moderate and economic liberal parties are the ones actually in majority. But many of them are willing to work with Likud on foreign policy, for instance.

Perhaps the real story of this election isn't about Netanyahu, but about how the hard left turn on the economy - that many expected, and not unlike one that the recent elections in Greece saw - didn't actually happen. That's the real story - and for many, a surprise, because it would've seemed obvious that the huge increases in the cost of living and deterioration in the job market and public services had to be foremost on the voters' minds. For one reason or another, I suppose that didn't turn the tide anyway. Otherwise, those on the American right are typically disappointed when they hold up Israel as some sort of model society of their dreams (conveniently promoted to them as such by conservative ideologues), only to discover that as politics, economics and public services go, it's about as secular, liberal, and pluralistic as states get. And I for one hope that it stays that way.

I concur with the above. Bibi (or BeBe, I never know which one is the official spelling) really has no individual hold on power. He and his party's policies, beliefs, and standards are not, and never really have been, wholeheartedly embraced, by the Israeli population, in general. Now he is going to have to scrape and wheel and deal to form any semblance of a stable government...

My bicker over the term "majority" is how it is used as a sort of public relations gimmick to give the impression there is very much more public support for a candidate, party, or policies than actually exists. I find much the same holds for the term "mandate". The last time it was used in US presidential was in 2004 when the GOP claimed the election results confirmed a "mandate" from the US voters for GOP policies, in spite of the fact GW Bush only garnered 50.7% of the total vote. Again, hardly a rousing victory, but rather better the Bush's 47.9% in the 2000 election. It seems "majority" and "mandate" are somewhat, shall we say, "fungible"?...


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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Gotta love the way Bubblehead just made this thread and hasn't done anything in it since.

It's a drive-by shooting of my brain cells.

sorry, I have not had a chance to respond. There are many posts I would like to respond to and fully intend to do so and get busy with life, it happens.I'll ry a few while I have time.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Webster

well since there are more illegal immigrants voting in elections now then American citizens

[citation needed]