Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

@Yubba
You are disgusting for hijacking this for you petty political agenda.

Agreed. The current US administration has problems, but it's hardly relevant to these attacks.

[Rockstar]

Ok then, let me add something more useful.

To the French,

I have done a great deal of travelling through the United States. During which I have had the privilege of touring the battlefields of Yorktown Virginia. To this day the French fleurs-de-lis flys from every embankment your soldiers helped defend. For without the help and sacrifice of your great nation we would have never known Liberty, Sovereignity, and Independance.

A monument at the battlefield pays tribute to the alliance which was formed in 1778 between the Nation of France and the United States of America. That alliance will stand forever in my heart and I would be honored to assist the generous people of France in any way I can.


and yes, I mean what I wrote.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

@Yubba
You are disgusting for hijacking this for your petty political agenda.

Maybe you aren't aware of it but this is a hot topic here right now.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Agreed. The current US administration has problems, but it's hardly relevant to these attacks.

It has alittle more than problems,, it can't bring it's self to identify what and who is responsible for these attacks,, I think Mark Levin put it best today,, if the potus either went himself or sent someone to repesent us,, he would have to finally admit that, ISIS is Islamic,, the Ft Hood shooting was more than work place violence and Bengazi was something more than a protest over a video,, I'll say what they're afraid to say,, Radical Islamic Extremist and I personally would like to know why they can't say it before they send more troops into harms way,, you have to identfy who the enemy is before you go to war.

[Buddahaid]

[August]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

@Yubba
You are disgusting for hijacking this for your petty political agenda.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Maybe you aren't aware of it but this is a hot topic here right now.

Neals right. Folks on both sides of the political spectrum here are pretty mad that the best the USA could muster at such a significant event was an ambassador. It don't matter what party the administration is from they really dropped the ball.

That might not be making the foreign press though.

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

[em2nought]

Sincere apologies to the Marquis http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/201...-are-not-here/

[Skybird]

I have linked the absence of Obama to security concerns. The deeper dimension of what it would have meant in recognising that several other terror attacks were indeed Muslim terror that absolutely had something to do with Islam, has escaped me.

The implication from that, describing the official view of earlier terrorism, is even more worrying.

Originally Posted by yubba

It has alittle more than problems,, it can't bring it's self to identify what and who is responsible for these attacks,, I think Mark Levin put it best today,, if the potus either went himself or sent someone to repesent us,, he would have to finally admit that, ISIS is Islamic,, the Ft Hood shooting was more than work place violence and Bengazi was something more than a protest over a video,, I'll say what they're afraid to say,, Radical Islamic Extremist and I personally would like to know why they can't say it before they send more troops into harms way,, you have to identfy who the enemy is before you go to war.

Yubba may take fire or not, but to me what he says here is simply plain reason.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Hey guys, back from peeling potatoes in the brig. I apologise for the nasty language that Sailor Steve had to remove, nobody needs to read that. It was unnecessary and crude.

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Anyhoo.


Over a million people marching in Paris, over 700,000 marching all across France yesterday.

It's heartening to see this kind of expression instead of lazy xenophobia or racism, which is something we all know can easily follow events like this in modern Europe.


The above gallery are some cartoons from Arab newspapers in reaction to the tragedy.

Maybe I'm simplistic, but to my mind people standing up for the rights of cartoonists not to be murdered is something to be welcomed.

Hey, welcome back. The french fries were good while they lasted.

Yes, I was really moved by the rally. The French certainly know how to do that type of thing on a magnificent scale. I am not saying this just to bash the President,l but I was shocked and very disappointed that he was not in that line. To hell with security concerns, if the German leader, UK, leader, Israeli leader, etc were there, the US president should have been too. That rally was an epic symbol, and the US was AWOL.

One thing I have felt from the beginning but have not mentioned; I do not care for the whole Charlie Magazine bashing and mocking religion for the sake of it (and profit). Sure, I will grant that they have the right to do so, but it's bad taste (don't forget, I am not religious at all). And how is it not considered hate speech? Or at the least, incitement to violence. Don't get me wrong, I am not on the side of killing people who draw Mohammed or Jesus, not at all. I definitely want to see the French root out the fledgling terrorists in their country and imprison or deport them. But yeah, twist the tiger's tail...

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

One thing I have felt from the beginning but have not mentioned; I do not care for the whole Charlie Magazine bashing and mocking religion for the sake of it (and profit). Sure, I will grant that they have the right to do so, but it's bad taste (don't forget, I am not religious at all). And how is it not considered hate speech? Or at the least, incitement to violence. Don't get me wrong, I am not on the side of killing people who draw Mohammed or Jesus, not at all. I definitely want to see the French root out the fledgling terrorists in their country and imprison or deport them. But yeah, twist the tiger's tail...

Completely agree.

[Tango589]

I agree that whilst freedom of speech is a fundamental right, you should be a bit wary of putting a stick in a bees' nest, especially one that looks to be full of Killer Bees.

[MH]

Egypt's Grand Mufti warned the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo on Tuesday against publishing a new caricature of the Prophet Mohammad, saying it was a racist act that would incite hatred and upset Muslims around the world. Charlie Hebdo is due to publish a front page on Wednesday showing a caricature of the Prophet in its first edition since Islamist gunmen attacked the weekly's offices in Paris last Wednesday, killing 12 people.
"This edition will cause a new wave of hatred in French and Western society in general and what the magazine is doing does not serve coexistence or a dialogue between civilisations," the office of Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, one of the region's most influential Muslim clerics, said in a statement.
"This is an unwarranted provocation against the feelings of ... Muslims around the world."
Liberation newspaper, now temporarily housing Charlie Hebdo operations, revealed the front page of the Jan. 14 edition via Twitter late on Monday - an image of the Prophet Mohammed holding a sign saying "Je suis Charlie" ("I am Charlie") below the headline "Tout est pardonne" ("All is forgiven").
A total of 17 people were killed in three days of violence that began when the gunmen opened fire at Charlie Hebdo in revenge for its past publication of satirical images of the Prophet. With demand surging for this week's edition, Charlie Hebdo planned to print up to 3 million copies, dwarfing its usual run of 60,000.
The Grand Mufti described the attack on Charlie Hebdo as "terrorist" and Egypt's Al-Azhar, a thousand-year-old seat of religious learning respected by Muslims around the world, has referred to the attack as a criminal act. But they have also been critical of caricatures of the Prophet, which provoked protests when they were first published in 2005.
The Grand Mufti's office called on the French government to reject what he called the "racist act" by Charlie Hebdo, accusing the newspaper of seeking to provoke "religious strife... and deepen hatred."
The front page of the Jan. 14 edition shows Mohammad, a tear on his cheek, holding a sign saying "Je suis Charlie" ("I am Charlie"), below the headline "Tout est pardonne" ("All is forgiven").
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan accused the West on Monday of hypocrisy for its stance over the attack on Charlie Hebdo and the hostage-taking at a kosher supermarket in which four Jews were killed, while failing to condemn anti-Muslim acts in Europe. "The West's hypocrisy is obvious. As Muslims, we've never taken part in terrorist massacres. Behind these lie racism, hate speech and Islamophobia," he said.

If those two guys go along with those lines it means it is populist mainstream issue.
Don't lynch Muslims yet understand that the problem is a bit bigger than you imagine.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Completely agree.

Also agree, free speech and hate speech should not be confused, nor one allowed to abuse the other.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

That might not be making the foreign press though.

Oh it has, In Denmark and Sweden it has been in the news a few times and in the press.

Markus