Gay Apple

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Yeah, but here's the thing: straight people have never been an oppressed group. Name one country where straight people can't get married.


Straight pride doesn't exist, because straight shame doesn't exist. Straight people who died in the holocaust didn't die because they were straight, but gay people who were killed died BECAUSE they were gay.

I've been bullied for being autistic. As a result, I'm proud to be autistic. Why? Because that's who I am. Gay pride isn't being proud of being attracted to people of the same sex, it's being proud of being yourself, even though people hate you for it.

Very well put. For those who have never experienced official organizational discrimination, it can be difficult to understand the importance of being recognized for what you are.

It is one thing to be discriminated against by people. That has always and will probably will happen. This is different when there are laws/regulations/rules from governing bodies that officially discriminate against someone.

Perhaps it is the interpretation of "pride" that is awkward. It may not be the best word. It is not so much being proud of being (insert discrimination category), it is more like, "I don't have conceal it any more." When you have been discriminated against, being able to not conceal something can be uplifting and empowering.

Yes, there is no "straight pride" because there has not been a history of straight people needing to conceal their straight orientation in order to get/keep a job or be a parent.

[vanjast]

You most likely find homophobia origins in religious texts.. and funny enough some churches/religions ban it outright.. although their 'brethren' obviously haven't heard about that yet. ?

If we're going to be all treated like human beings, irrespective of orientation, one has to be able to roll with what it takes to be 'different'. We all have to go through this in our lives... being gay doesn't require any more special attention than being straight, or just being a weirdo.

Jokes, quirks.. etc.. are par for the course.. time to toughen up and stop crying, otherwise they'll 'ride' you.

[Skybird]

Criticise Islam, and you are called Islamophobe. Criticise homosexual hysteria at least in the West, and you are called a Homophobe. Critizise unregulated, undiscriminated migration, and you are called Xenoiphobe.

Oberon, have you ever been called a reasonophobe? Well, today's the day.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Criticise Islam, and you are called Islamophobe. Criticise homosexual hysteria at least in the West, and you are called a Homophobe. Critizise unregulated, undiscriminated migration, and you are called Xenoiphobe.

Oberon, have you ever been called a reasonophobe? Well, today's the day.

I'm going for broke and claim Panphobia.
Except for Turophobia. Cheese don't scare me.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oberon, have you ever been called a reasonophobe? Well, today's the day.

Excellent, I shall add it to the list.

Originally Posted by vanjast

You most likely find homophobia origins in religious texts.. and funny enough some churches/religions ban it outright.. although their 'brethren' obviously haven't heard about that yet. ?

If we're going to be all treated like human beings, irrespective of orientation, one has to be able to roll with what it takes to be 'different'. We all have to go through this in our lives... being gay doesn't require any more special attention than being straight, or just being a weirdo.

Jokes, quirks.. etc.. are par for the course.. time to toughen up and stop crying, otherwise they'll 'ride' you.

It most likely did originate in religious texts, probably as a means to make sure that humanity kept breeding back when the population was in the high millions as opposed to billions. Back when child mortality was such that if you didn't have lots of children then the continuation of your linage was in doubt.
Those days, like so many things people fight to cling on to now, are long gone. Our population is 7 billion and climbing, so a percentage of homosexuals really isn't going to make a dent in it.
I fully agree with you if we are to all be treated as equals...but unfortunately many many people haven't got that message, many people still think that x person is better than y person because z. Be it that a white person is better than a black, a man is better than a woman, or a heterosexual is better than a homosexual. As such, equality is not possible if the status quo is not challenged. I have posted two examples in this thread already of where homosexual people have been persecuted for their beliefs, and I have challenged people to find me a country in the current day where heterosexual people are persecuted in the same way. As of yet I have received no answer.
And as for being 'different', surely the whole point of being treated equally is that you are not 'different'? Surely the point is to eliminate the focus on what makes us different, and celebrate that which we have the same? Of course, this also works in detriment of gay pride, but I suspect that if homophobia was to disappear overnight then eventually gay pride events would also become a thing of the past. As has already been said, the only reason there is gay pride is because there exists such a thing as gay shame. You remove the shame, there's no need for the pride.

In regards to jokes, I'm all for them, but if you wouldn't make the same joke in regards to a straight person, then why make it for a homosexual? Again, is this not emphasising the difference?

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I'm going for broke and claim Panphobia.

No, I think that's someone else on this thread...certainly judging by the amount of things that are going to cause the downfall of humanity/Europe/the world: The EU, Banks, Capitalism, Socialism, Democracy, Religion, Muslims...have I missed anything out?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Women , you forgot about the women

Ah...of course! Must be that reasonophobia of mine.

[Cybermat47]

So this happened: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ays-he-is-gay/

[Betonov]

Me myself, I'm more of a missingmorningcoffee-phobe and beingbanedfromsubsimbecauseIwashonestwithbigots-phobe. That's why I'll just head to the cafe and try to forget the IQ<10 level attack on Oberon on the last page.
I'll leave that to Tribes.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Me myself, I'm more of a missingmorningcoffee-phobe and beingbanedfromsubsimbecauseIwashonestwithbigots-phobe. That's why I'll just head to the cafe and try to forget the IQ<10 level attack on Oberon on the last page.
I'll leave that to Tribes.

We do have a report button.

[antikristuseke]

I blame the spread of gay on ebola

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Damn I was wrong.
I expected it to be one of those US right wing "christian" preachers to be the first in the news blaming the spread of ebola on the gays.

A lot of them (like Scott Lively) have taken their message abroad and claim credit for Russia's current stance on gay rights.

I did find it funny that Ted Cruz condemns Tim Cook's decision to go public, but says he still loves his iPhone.

“Those are his personal choices. I’ll tell you, I love my iPhone,”

Thou shalt have no other iGods before mine I guess.

[Tango589]

I'm an equal opportunities bigot, I dislike everyone!

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is that the "christian" fruitcake who says gays caused the holocaust?

Yeah. He's the Pink Swastika Guy.