The benefits of Islam - Good ole US Education

[Feuer Frei!]

There are?

The points don't convince me one iota.

And school banishment for Father.

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And an alternative view:

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"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?" A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?" A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

To be fair Saladin apparently did actually treat PoW's at least with respect. IIRC the crusaders actually respected the guy which is really saying something.

[Tchocky]

This thread promises not to disappoint.

*EJECT*

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

This thread promises not to disappoint.

*EJECT*

Well, i assume there are some reasonable folks on this forum, no?

The trolls can be dealt with.

[Cybermat47]

Islamic nations in the Middle Ages were very honourable. Saladin sent Richard the Lionheart some medicine when Richard fell ill, and the Ottoman Empire didn't force Christian and Jewish subjects to convert.

But that was the Middle Ages. Now Islamic nations (or rather their governments) are either...

a) Similar to most Western Nations

b) a bit backwards

or c) absolutely crazy.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Well, i assume there are some reasonable folks on this forum, no?

The trolls can be dealt with.

That's a good one!

[Skybird]

Sigh. The servility of modern western mind. Or is it cowardice? Well, both terms are not too far apart anyway. That school should see some change in teaching personnel.

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

To be fair Saladin apparently did actually treat PoW's at least with respect. IIRC the crusaders actually respected the guy which is really saying something.

No, that is a myth if you generalise it that way. Before Richard landed in the unholy land, and Saladin still was commander in service of some king on today'S Syrian territory, he defeated a French army and had the noble elite of it, princes and noblemen, executed along with all other prisoners without any logicstical or military need, to send the Europeans a message of the kind IS tries today. During and after the struggle for Jerusalem, he sometimes let prisoners live and traded them for gold from Europe, like it was common habit amongst the feudal leaders in East and West alike in those times, but then he also sometimes executed prisoners, especially if they belonged to the military Christian elite. The Templars for example were such an elite, and also he knew that because they effectively were warrior monks, their motivation was such that not only they would not be converted, but also would continue to fight once they got released from prison. So these also were executed. Saladdin reigned with iron fist and commanded the execution of many reformists and critical Muslim minds, some of the most promising alternative thinkers in the Islamic world of that time were brought to death by his will. The shrine they build for him holds a scripture that only rarely gets translated when they make another TV film about it: "He cleaned the earth of the dirt of the infidels". Ridley Scott painted a hopelessly distorted picture of him, though the usual fascinating one that the world now is used to believe in .

Saladdin is one of the most transfigured figures in history that I know of. But the substance does not justify the holy shine, even if many famous names fell for it, like Voltaire and Goethe. Voltaire at least in the end corrected his mistake. Goethe died ignorant on Islam.

However, the whole modern reinterpretation of the crusade wars is a hopeless case. Tells more about modern western mind and Islamic self-understanding, than history.

Regarding the respect you mentioned, the rule of that time was simply this: "king does not kill king".

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?" A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

They taxed them

[Catfish]

I always wonder how people can listen to Fox News, and then criticize russian propaganda media.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I always wonder how people can listen to Fox News, and then criticize russian propaganda media.

Who's that.
What propaganda.

[mapuc]

I have only this to say:

If you hate Islam, you believe every negative publicity about Islam and the Muslims and you dismiss every positive Mentions about this religion

Markus

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have only this to say:

If you hate Islam, you believe every negative publicity about Islam and the Muslims and you dismiss every positive Mentions about this religion

Markus

Read an article today about some German tourists that risked it and went on a vacation in Iran.
They were surprised how Iran is nothing like the media tries to sell us. Women wore a scarf and men wore long trousers, they had a guide (not the North Korean kind) that translated for them and gave them a few no-go areas like army bases and certain facilities. Apart from that no one gave them a hard time for being European or white, people were hospitable and polite, never felt threatened and ancient Persian sights were well kept and accesable.

Media is selling us manure to make money, politicians are feeding us manure to get votes and chicken little is crying that the sky is falling. Same idiotism, different day.


The original article was on my phone newsfeed and can't find it, here's the next best thing

http://mic.com/articles/78597/why-ev...cation-in-iran

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

To be fair Saladin apparently did actually treat PoW's at least with respect. IIRC the crusaders actually respected the guy which is really saying something.

Originally Posted by Betonov

They taxed them

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have only this to say:

If you hate Islam, you believe every negative publicity about Islam and the Muslims and you dismiss every positive Mentions about this religion

Markus

Well Gentlemen,

There is of course the other side of the coin, teachings of Islam in US Schools is all rosy and dandy, a religion of peace, prosperity and love thy neighbour is taught in over 100 schools in US.

We now look towards that other side of the coin and reveal what isn't taught: 1,400 year history of Jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural genocide and enslavement.
I'm sure there is more.

And also on that other side of the coin is the Shahada and the Five Pillars of islam.
Another subject matter being taught with Social Studies and World History in those schools.
We all know what Shahada and the five pillars of islam are don't we?









Enjoy

Islam being taught is one thing.
Teaching with sugar-coating and ignoring (some) facts is another.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

There are?


"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?" A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

Yea...the point being after how they brutally conquered...and of course even then it's very subjective to what period and then what rules were applied to those that didn't follow Islam...

Course, Christianity was much the same, but thankfully has grown out of the dark ages.

[Bilge_Rat]

Back to the original topic:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

"How did Muslim conquerors treat those they conquered?" A homework assignment obtained by MyFoxDC.com showed the correct answer was, “With tolerance, kindness and respect."

really???

Tamerlane's victims would beg to differ with that PC interpretation:

While Timur professed to be a good Muslim, he obviously felt no compunction about destroying the jewel-cities of Islam and slaughtering their inhabitants. Damascus, Khiva, Baghdad... these ancient capitals of Islamic learning never really recovered from Timur's attentions. His intent seems to have been to make his capital at Samarkand the first city of the Islamic world.

Contemporary sources say that Timur's forces killed about 19 million people during their conquests. That number is probably exaggerated, but Timur does seem to have enjoyed massacre for its own sake

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/pro.../TimurProf.htm

Delhi was sacked and left in ruins. Before the battle for Delhi, Timur executed 100,000 captives:[12]

(...)
After Delhi fell to Timur's army, uprisings by its citizens against the Turkic-Mongols began to occur, causing a bloody massacre within the city walls. After three days of citizens uprising within Delhi, it was said that the city reeked of decomposing bodies of its citizens with their heads being erected like structures and the bodies left as food for the birds. Timur's invasion and destruction of Delhi continued the chaos that was still consuming India and the city would not be able to recover from the great loss it suffered for almost a century.

(...)

In 1400 Timur invaded Christian Armenia and Georgia. Of the surviving population, more than 60,000 of the local people were captured as slaves, and many districts were depopulated.[38]

Then Timur turned his attention to Syria, sacking Aleppo[39] and Damascus.[40] The city's inhabitants were massacred, except for the artisans, who were deported to Samarkand.

He invaded Baghdad in June 1401. After the capture of the city, 20,000 of its citizens were massacred. Timur ordered that every soldier should return with at least two severed human heads to show him. (Many warriors were so scared they killed prisoners captured earlier in the campaign just to ensure they had heads to present to Timur.)

(...)

The conquests of Timur are claimed to have caused the deaths of up to 17 million people, an assertion impossible to verify.[42]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

I am so sick and tired of the PC police whitewashing history to suit today's politics.