Swedish navy chasing foreign sub - Page 2

daft · 10-19-14, 12:34 PM

The operation will continue after having three reported observations of what could be foreign submersibles. The latest one came at 1015AM today and was accompanied by this photo:

http://i.imgur.com/nadSzLw.jpg

In conjunction with witness interviews of the persons reporting, the Swedish Navy has classified this as "Probable" subsurface activity of foreign origin, which means that the Navy will extend the operation and continue the search. They also reinforced that this is not an ASW operation, it is an intelligence gathering ops to confirm that a foreign power is operating inside Swedish territorial waters, but they also say that it could transition to an ASW op if needed. The "Probable" designation is the second highest in the Swedish Navy scale, second only to "Confirmed". This latest incident is apparently consistent with previous observations made over the span of several years, and the area is of interest to foreign powers according to the Swedish Navy.

VirtualVikingX · 10-19-14, 12:59 PM

Thanks, daft. Most interesting indeed.

daft · 10-19-14, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX

Thanks, daft. Most interesting indeed.

It's like a live action spy novel.

Hopefully, no-one will be hurt or killed though! I would like to catch whatever it is running around out there, make no mistake.

daft · 10-19-14, 01:05 PM

The original image:

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteass...ellt/bild1.jpg

Oberon · 10-19-14, 01:06 PM

So that's where Nessie went!

Thought it'd been a while.

daft · 10-19-14, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

So that's where Nessie went!

Thought it'd been a while.

A chilly northern holliday.

ikalugin · 10-19-14, 01:28 PM

Heh, shame that stuff on pirania series of small displacement subs was cleaned up.

mapuc · 10-19-14, 01:52 PM

The Swedish Navy is highly interested in finding this sub

However the Swedish Government ain't ´cause it would give a huge diplomatically crisis with Russia. Of course they are interested to find out what it is too, if we look at it military.

Nessie?? Call the Swedish navy and tell them, they are hunting a Scottish tourist who love water and are swimming around Stockholm.

ikalugin · 10-19-14, 02:00 PM

Well, there aren't that many subs in the baltic fleet and majority of the small displacement subs are also well known, and out of them absolute majority is delivered by a parent sub and are used for deep water operations.

So the possible Russian candidate would be pirania series.

Oberon · 10-19-14, 02:13 PM

I wonder if it left tracks in the seabed like the last one...now that was an interesting case.

ikalugin · 10-19-14, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I wonder if it left tracks in the seabed like the last one...now that was an interesting case.

I would thoink though that making tracks in sea bed is still better than leaving a permanent mark on Baton Rouge if you know what I mean.

Catfish · 10-19-14, 02:22 PM

I guess it is all smoke and mirrors, maybe even once more trying to turn Sweden against evil Russia.

" ... Some experts insist that propeller noises were mixed up with the sounds of nature, while others suspect other NATO members tested the defence of a neutral Sweden. ..."

http://rt.com/news/prime-time/sweden...arine-mystery/

" ... despite the hullabaloo, there was never any evidence the Soviets were responsible. Incredibly, the only Swedish tapes of the submarine propeller sounds from the Harsfjarden hunt, which might have helped identify the vessels, were curiously erased. Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence confiscated the only other recording from the Harsfjarden hunt, held by Norway, a U.S. ally in NATO. ..."

Seems have been british and US subs all along:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/27379...gainst-soviets

Remember Olof Palme.

Some more:

The secret war against Sweden:
http://books.google.de/books?id=cN-E...waters&f=false

"After a Soviet Whiskey submarine was stranded in 1981 in the Swedish

archipelago, massive submarine intrusions took place within Swedish

waters – later described as the first Soviet military initiative against a

Western European state since the Berlin crisis.

After a dramatic hunt in 1982, a parliamentary commission stated that six Soviet submarines had ‘played their games’ in the Stockholm archipelago – one even in Stockholm harbour. The Swedish government protested strongly, and relations between the two countries were icy for several years.

Today, all evidence for Soviet intrusions appears to have been

manipulated, or simply invented. Classified documents point to covert US

and UK activity."

It still may be a russian sub. Why not. All nations are doing it, everywhere.

Oberon · 10-19-14, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

I would thoink though that making tracks in sea bed is still better than leaving a permanent mark on Baton Rouge if you know what I mean.

Or the rocks

mapuc · 10-19-14, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well, there aren't that many subs in the baltic fleet and majority of the small displacement subs are also well known, and out of them absolute majority is delivered by a parent sub and are used for deep water operations.

So the possible Russian candidate would be pirania series.

A Swedish expert think it could be

Triton-NN the Swedish Navy is chasing.

Markus

ikalugin · 10-19-14, 02:37 PM

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Or the rocks

Navigation errors can be deadly. Though ramming the French does not count as a navigational error :p

10-19-14, 12:34 PM	#16
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	The operation will continue after having three reported observations of what could be foreign submersibles. The latest one came at 1015AM today and was accompanied by this photo: http://i.imgur.com/nadSzLw.jpg In conjunction with witness interviews of the persons reporting, the Swedish Navy has classified this as "Probable" subsurface activity of foreign origin, which means that the Navy will extend the operation and continue the search. They also reinforced that this is not an ASW operation, it is an intelligence gathering ops to confirm that a foreign power is operating inside Swedish territorial waters, but they also say that it could transition to an ASW op if needed. The "Probable" designation is the second highest in the Swedish Navy scale, second only to "Confirmed". This latest incident is apparently consistent with previous observations made over the span of several years, and the area is of interest to foreign powers according to the Swedish Navy. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-19-14, 01:05 PM	#19
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	The original image: http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteass...ellt/bild1.jpg __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-19-14, 02:22 PM	#27
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,802 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I guess it is all smoke and mirrors, maybe even once more trying to turn Sweden against evil Russia. " ... Some experts insist that propeller noises were mixed up with the sounds of nature, while others suspect other NATO members tested the defence of a neutral Sweden. ..." http://rt.com/news/prime-time/sweden...arine-mystery/ " ... despite the hullabaloo, there was never any evidence the Soviets were responsible. Incredibly, the only Swedish tapes of the submarine propeller sounds from the Harsfjarden hunt, which might have helped identify the vessels, were curiously erased. Meanwhile, U.S. intelligence confiscated the only other recording from the Harsfjarden hunt, held by Norway, a U.S. ally in NATO. ..." Seems have been british and US subs all along: http://mentalfloss.com/article/27379...gainst-soviets Remember Olof Palme. Some more: The secret war against Sweden: http://books.google.de/books?id=cN-E...waters&f=false "After a Soviet Whiskey submarine was stranded in 1981 in the Swedish archipelago, massive submarine intrusions took place within Swedish waters – later described as the first Soviet military initiative against a Western European state since the Berlin crisis. After a dramatic hunt in 1982, a parliamentary commission stated that six Soviet submarines had ‘played their games’ in the Stockholm archipelago – one even in Stockholm harbour. The Swedish government protested strongly, and relations between the two countries were icy for several years. Today, all evidence for Soviet intrusions appears to have been manipulated, or simply invented. Classified documents point to covert US and UK activity." It still may be a russian sub. Why not. All nations are doing it, everywhere. Last edited by Catfish; 10-19-14 at 02:37 PM.

10-19-14, 12:59 PM	#17
VirtualVikingX Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 262 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Thanks, daft. Most interesting indeed.

10-19-14, 01:06 PM	#20
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	So that's where Nessie went! Thought it'd been a while.

10-19-14, 01:28 PM	#22
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Heh, shame that stuff on pirania series of small displacement subs was cleaned up.

10-19-14, 01:52 PM	#23
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,560 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	The Swedish Navy is highly interested in finding this sub However the Swedish Government ain't ´cause it would give a huge diplomatically crisis with Russia. Of course they are interested to find out what it is too, if we look at it military. Nessie?? Call the Swedish navy and tell them, they are hunting a Scottish tourist who love water and are swimming around Stockholm.

10-19-14, 02:00 PM	#24
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Well, there aren't that many subs in the baltic fleet and majority of the small displacement subs are also well known, and out of them absolute majority is delivered by a parent sub and are used for deep water operations. So the possible Russian candidate would be pirania series.

10-19-14, 02:13 PM	#25
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I wonder if it left tracks in the seabed like the last one...now that was an interesting case.