The Secret U.S. Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Dunno why people are surprised. The US has never treated its vets well. We always prefer our heroes dead. You can honour them cheaply and be done with it.

Just curious, which country treats it's veterans better than the US?

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by August

I couldn't really be bothered to read your wot

That's too bad because it was a good post.

but if you'll check back you'll note that I was blaming both sides.

Perhaps, but there did seem to be a little more "venom" for team D.

You however seem determined to give the present administration a pass for ignoring the problem for the last six years. Bias much?

How can you come to this conclusion if you didn't read the post?

[CaptainHaplo]

Wait - according to "some" people here - there were no WMD's....

Of course - knowing they were real and there doesn't change anything in many people's minds, now does it?

[August]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

That's too bad because it was a good post.

So you say.

Perhaps, but there did seem to be a little more "venom" for team D.

Or maybe it just sounds that way to you because you're biased don't see how venomous you are being to team R. I just said that common sense was lacking on both sides and you responded with a multi-paragraph rant about the shortcomings of only one side. Like I said, bias much?

How can you come to this conclusion if you didn't read the post?

Well I did scan through it of course. Hardly a mention of the Democrat controlled congress or the Obama administration, the latter having been President now for a longer period of time since the invasion than Bush was in office. Pretty much turned me off of giving it a closer look.

[Dowly]

EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread.

[vienna]

Oh, August, you really have drunk the Kool-Aid deeply haven't you...

I am not surprised you didn't fully read my earlier post. There is hope for you; you did claim to have 'scanned' the text. You were probably looking for words such as "Republican", "GOP", or other such sore spots you seem to have. I wrote my post deliberately to avoid party politics. I simply laid out the genesis of our present situation vis-à-vis the present situation in the areas of Iraq, Syria, etc., and the situation regarding ISIL and their brethren. You will have noted, if you had read it, I never referred to the individual political parties in power at the time of the listed activities, nor did I refer to the President in office at those times. The only times I even used the names of American individuals is in the first itemized paragraph and, in that case, those individuals were not in office at that time. It was soft of a preamble for the rest of the post's itemized paragraphs. The activities that occurred at the times referenced in my post are matters of documented history. If they happened to have occurred when certain individuals were in positions of power at those times, what occurred was solely the responsibility of those individuals. If you have reliable documentation to refute the items in my post, you are most welcome to do so. In fact, you are encouraged to do so; it would be refreshing to see you, for once, fully document the utterances you so freely make with solid facts. I believe I am not the only one to so opine...

Regarding my giving a pass to the current administration, I certainly do not; I am not a big fan of a great many actions taken by the current occupants of the White House (I am also very much more not a fan of the actions of what is laughingly called "Congress"). However, I am keenly aware that the problems this country was saddled with did not suddenly materialize on January 20, 2008. Eight long years of ineptitude, deceit, malfeasance, and, to a large extent, ignorance, greed, and self-serving preceded that day and the new occupant of the White House, whoever they might have been politically, racially, gender-wise, or any other 'discriminating' factor would have to deal with the messes left behind. I consider a great good fortune that the nation has at least not worsened since the end of those eight years and seems to have rebounded, though not as much as would be liked. Something to consider: when the previous occupant of the White House entered office, there was a nation well-employed, a balanced budget, a sizeable budget surplus, a reduced deficit, a thriving financial system, and a nation at relative peace; eight years later, the current occupant faced a historically high unemployment rate, a grossly un balanced budget, an sizably increased deficit, an unbalanced budget, no surplus, a ravaged financial system, and a nation fighting a two wars, one justified one needless. Add to that the furthered destabilization of the Mid-East and the proliferation of terrorism under that eight year watch and I doubt anyone of any stripe could or would have been expected to solve all the problems we face...

Regarding that so-called pass you say I'm giving the current administration,: I tell you what, I'll take back that perceived by you pass if you'll fess up and own up to the failings of the previous administrations...

I do hope you get to read this; I how tiring you find the task of reading...


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[Platapus]

Originally Posted by August

Just curious, which country treats it's veterans better than the US?

Not sure that matters or is even pertinent to the discussion.

The US can be better than any other country and it would still be a disgrace and the US can be the worst and again, still a disgrace.

It is not about relative comparison with other countries, it is about an absolute measure of care and its results.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Not sure that matters or is even pertinent to the discussion.

The US can be better than any other country and it would still be a disgrace and the US can be the worst and again, still a disgrace.

It is not about relative comparison with other countries, it is about an absolute measure of care and its results.

I understand your point but I think that you set the disgrace bar kinda high. While it could certainly be improved best in the world and best in human history is hardly disgraceful.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by August

While it could certainly be improved best in the world and best in human history is hardly disgraceful.

Yeah, but the treatment some American veterans receive is hardly the best. Just look at the example of how College administrations view brain-damaged veterans as just an easy source of money.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Not always.


Some people working for US colleges prefer them brain damaged, so they can easily manipulate them into giving the Colleges money

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Yeah, but the treatment some American veterans receive is hardly the best. Just look at the example of how College administrations view brain-damaged veterans as just an easy source of money.

Ok Ok, This is the second time you mentioned this. I am sure there is some conspiracy theory you would like to share with us.

Go ahead.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Ok Ok, This is the second time you mentioned this. I am sure there is some conspiracy theory you would like to share with us.

Go ahead.

My conspiracy theory is that some people are dicks.

That's it.

In other words, I don't have a conspiracy theory. I honestly can't see why you think I do.

And I'm supporting your point anyway

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Ok Ok, This is the second time you mentioned this. I am sure there is some conspiracy theory you would like to share with us.

Go ahead.

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

My conspiracy theory is that some people are dicks.

That's it.

In other words, I don't have a conspiracy theory. I honestly can't see why you think I do.

And I'm supporting your point anyway

BTW, here's an article explaining the sort of thing that happens: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/carrie-wofford/2013/11/11/this-veterans-day-help-a-vet-avoid-a-gi-bill-for-profit-college-scam


Again, I'm not saying that this is some malevolent plan by conspirators, I'm just saying that some people are dicks. And the reasons I keep mentioning this are: a) it's pertinent to the current discussion (or at least I think it is), and b) I'm furious about it, and when I'm furious I get obsessed.