Star Trek - Horizon

[Catfish]

The secret service says the Romulans are building a weapon of mass destruction.

Sounds familiar. Iraq in Space anyone



Apart from that,
while the original series was at least a bit more modern in military orders and status, and especially research and science, the new ST films resemble more and more a bad copy of the US military structure and its hardware..

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Haven't gotten to DSN yet, but I can kinda see what you mean. At times, TNG is serious, but then in other episodes it just goes silly. Overall, I think the problem with ST I have so far is the lack of consistency. Things established in earlier episodes are broken just to fit some other episode.

There was one episode early in TNG where, I think it was Riker got killed, but he was beamed to the medlab in about 30 seconds and he got revived. That was explained by saying that if the patient got there in time and had no extreme injuries, the patient could be revived.

Ok, few episodes later, a woman dies, he is beamed almost instantly to the medlab. What does the doctor do? Check her pulse the old fashioned way and says she's dead. No "extreme" injuries, she didn't even use her fancy scanner! Just to make a plot for that episode (another soap opera BS) That is just lazy if you ask me.

See, I don't dislike ST "just because". I dislike what I have seen so far because it makes so little sense and there are so many other, better Sci-fi. Take the original Battlestar Galactica: Acting was better, things made sense, it didn't "bend the rules" to make a plot fit.

I DID enjoy TOS, it was good in the camp way. I mean, it was completely silly, but enjoyable.

I shall report back when I see more of ST. Over and out.

I understand that, some of the plot-holes in ST you can drive a Borg Cube through, especially when it gets to Voyager and Enterprise...although to be fair the last season of Enterprise did try to tie things up a bit, but Trek was dying by then. TNG is a bit hit and miss, I think people cherry-pick the best episodes from it, things like 'The Best of Both Worlds' and 'The Inner Light' and forget the bombs like 'Shades of Grey' (a clip show) and 'Genesis'.
I must rewatch the original BSG sometime, got the boxset on the shelf...sitting next to B5...

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

The problem is viewers in general get bored with utopia episodes and look for something that brews trouble and drives plots, ergo the Dominion War for DS9 and Voyager, the Borg threat for TNG, and the Temporal War for Enterprise.

Yup, that is the problem. Bringing the Borg threat into TNG was a good move, it worked well...the Dominion war also worked quite well for DS9, in TNG they used the Borg sparingly, and in DS9, once the initial six episodes were done in season six then the war became an ongoing background thing which came up from time to time. Voyager brought in the Borg (and Borg 'implants') to try and boost ratings but wound up overusing them and nerfing them as a threat...and the Temporal Cold War in Enterprise was a badly written mess. So you have six of one and half a dozen of the other.
What I liked about the Dominion War in DS9 and indeed the Borg in TNG is that it wasn't just used for the battles and explosions but also it took a look at the ethics of war and struggle and how it changed people... In The Best of Both Worlds you have Picards guilt about being Locutus, Rikers unease about filling the captains chair, the friction between him and Shelby who is advancing up the ranks quickly, and the quiet unease that this time the Federation really is doomed. It also helped that at the end of Season 3 no-one was really sure if Picard was coming back or not.
In the Dominion War, well...there are two episodes that stand out for me in that particular arc and that's 'In the Pale Moonlight' and 'The Siege of AR558'. They are both quite dark episodes, quite the opposite of Roddenberys vision, and yet they are both very well made (especially 'In the Pale Moonlight') and well acted.

Originally Posted by Catfish

The secret service says the Romulans are building a weapon of mass destruction.

Sounds familiar. Iraq in Space anyone

Be worried when the Romulans are able to launch it in 45 minutes.

It is fairly true to the established canon of the Romulan War though, IIRC there was a major battle close to Earth. But to be honest the canon is pretty sketchy around it...it was going to be explored more in ENT but, as we know, that got canned before they got that far.

while the original series was at least a bit more modern in military orders and status, and especially research and science, the new ST films resemble more and more a bad copy of the US military structure and its hardware..

Agreed, even the uniforms on the Abrams trek look like a cross between a US military dress uniform and something from the Imperial Fleet from Star Wars:



Still...I admit...it is a bit better than the dress uniform that actually looked like a dress:

[Betonov]

Movies II to VI were the only time ST actually had uniforms.




Anything else was either work jumpers or pajamas

[Dowly]

I give up Oberon. Your loss.

[Buddahaid]

I liked Enterprise far more than I thought I would mainly because it showed that Vulcans were more than cookie cutter robots with failings of their own, and the Andorians which I thought were brilliantly portrayed.

[Catfish]

^ Really, do you believe anyone in the distant future (flying FTL ships) will still carry those ridiculous hats, even in his gala uniform

Of course a sabre would be appropriate. Or maybe some bronze cannons, for the phaser deck.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Really, do you believe anyone in the distant future (flying FTL ships) will still carry those ridiculous hats, even in his gala uniform

Of course a sabre would be appropriate. Or maybe some bronze cannons, for the phaser deck.

Already been done:

[ikalugin]

I did like the uniforms from the TOS films. That said, the reason why I did like TOS series if because they didn't just spam American/Western types everywhere and had a Russian troll dude with his thick neck.

[mapuc]

Seen the trailer, have hopes it will be a great movie.

Are watching or should I say rewatching TOS on DVD.

Markus

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I did like the uniforms from the TOS films. That said, the reason why I did like TOS series if because they didn't just spam American/Western types everywhere and had a Russian troll dude with his thick neck.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

happy to see this progress nicely.

Even happier since it doesn't have that clown Chris Pine in it.

[Buddahaid]

Horizon is a fan film project.

[ikalugin]

Yes, that one too.

Unfortunately the guy who plays Chekov doesn't quite fit the role IMO.

[Buddahaid]

Well at long last the video is locked and the sound tracks are completed so this production is hitting the home stretch. Visiting www.startrekhorizon.com and clicking on "support us" will show several options to donate and receive gifts ranging from dl's of the movie and/or soundtrack to hard copy signed Blurays and soundtrack CD's. I'm really looking forward to this at long last.

Here's a link to the latest and brief video blog.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Today marks the release of the official trailer for 'Star Trek - Horizon'.


This is a project I've built a couple of props for and have backed as an Associate Producer by way of the Kickstarter. I'm really happy to see this progress nicely.

It looks promising . I'm not sure if you and everyone else knew but others have made movies separate of the major motion picture producers. The acting in some of them are subpar but others act very well. There are also some notable actors as well like Walter Koenig and I saw Nichelle Nichols in another one as well.




( Walter koenig-Chekov is in this one as well as the actor who played Tuvok from Star trek Voyager



( remake of original series )

~Enjoy ~