A question about the pre-germany era

Eichhörnchen · 10-12-14, 03:44 PM

Well I guess there was that bloke called "Herman the German" in antiquity, wasn't there? So I suppose the word does pre-date the federation of all those small states.

Skybird · 10-12-14, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

Well I guess there was that bloke called "Herman the German" in antiquity, wasn't there? So I suppose the word does pre-date the federation of all those small states.

A nickname, his real name was Arminius , a latinized version of his germanic name Erminaz. the later germanized version of the latinized verison wold become "Hermann".

I was born in the shadow of the Hermann Height Monument, btw. My grandfather'S name was Hermann. And I owned not one but four swords in my life. You all are warned.

Arminius was Cheruscian, usually described as a Germanic tribe. The English reference "Hermann the German" in unknown in German, he does not have the name "Hermann der Deutsche/Germane" in German language. In German, he occasionally gets referred to as "Hermann der Cherusker".

It is under debate that the Cherusci indeed have to be counted as a Germanic tribe. However, no matter their origin they got absorbed by Franconian and Alemmani tribes later.

mapuc · 10-12-14, 04:39 PM

Thank you Skybird for your indeep answer.

So the word German is older than I have learned or read.

Markus

Eichhörnchen · 10-12-14, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A nickname, his real name was Arminius , a latinized version of his germanic name Erminaz. the later germanized version of the latinized verison wold become "Hermann".

I was born in the shadow of the Hermann Height Monument, btw. My grandfather'S name was Hermann. And I owned not one but four swords in my life. You all are warned.

Arminius was Cheruscian, usually described as a Germanic tribe. The English reference "Hermann the German" in unknown in German, he does not have the name "Hermann der Deutsche/Germane" in German language. In German, he occasionally gets referred to as "Hermann der Cherusker".

It is under debate that the Cherusci indeed have to be counted as a Germanic tribe. However, no matter their origin they got absorbed by Franconian and Alemmani tribes later.

Well as you've probably concluded from my own contributions, the English can be a rather shallow race and we probably called him Hermann the German for no other reason than that it rhymes!

Joking aside, I did find your expansion very interesting, Skybird. Thank you...

PS/ perhaps you would now like to contribute a title toward my Animal Film Club thread?

Schroeder · 10-13-14, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eichhornchen

we probably called him Hermann the German for no other reason than that it rhymes!

Only if you mispronounce his name in an English manner. When pronounced correctly it doesn't rhyme with "German".

Eichhörnchen · 10-13-14, 06:05 AM

Yeah but when I say it in my head, it comes out in a pantomimic German accent and rhymes...

Joefour · 10-13-14, 09:44 AM

German-from the latin word germanus--genuine, real,actual, true.

Eichhörnchen · 10-13-14, 10:53 AM

Now I certainly did not know that. Interesting...

Catfish · 10-13-14, 10:54 AM

Tyskland is just the translation of Deutschland, in danish.

Germanic tribes is almost all that moves around from the northern parts of Scandinavia, to Germany and the Netherlands.

There were (are ? lol) other tribes like Suebes, the Chattes a.s.o. but all merged with the later Franconian or Alemanni as Skybird wrote.

There were some germanic tribes in the northern parts of what is Germany today (but was'nt then), a tribe called Angeln or Angles, and then there certainly were the Saxons. When they tried to "invade" England (was more of a long-lasting movement), they became to be known as the Anglo-Saxons, forming parts or shires like Sussex or Wessex, as abbreviations of new Western or Southern Saxony.
When the Normans came in 1066, some of the older names stuck until today. From the language, some say that english is closer to the original "germanic" tongue of those tribes, than in today's Germany, certainly due to the isolation and on the other hand the ongoing interaction that took place on the continent.
The 'th' was a typical germanic phoneme, e.g. the gathering of chiefs to deal and speak right regulöarly, was called the "Thing", no joke.

A certain Mr. H. from Austria never understood why England declared war to Germany in WW2, by his own racial ideology they were the closest brothers

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