I officially declare my Business a MUSLIM FREE Zone

[ikalugin]

Was the kebab (shop) removed then?

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

To explain my point - if anyone invades mainland US in such a way that locals would require to use their private arms, then I seriously doubt that there would be any issues with using persistent chemical agents or other such means which would essentially negate the armed population.

When it comes to private gun ownership these days it's rarely about resisting foreign invasions. It's usually the government is coming to put me in a FEMA camp, so I need my guns. Or they are going to ban all guns, so I need more guns.

A smart man once said to try to plan your life independent of who is elected to office. At least run your life in spite of who is elected.

A friend of mine followed this example. When President Obama was re-elected he bought 2,000 shares of Ruger stock. The stock skyrocketed. He sold half last May. He did not believe for a moment that President Obama was going to succeed in taking away the guns, just that enough other knee-jerk types did.

I can't help but admire his thinking and bank account.

[ikalugin]

So the pro gun people are afraid of governmental oppression? Then how does the gun ownership help if there are so many non violent ways to oppress the population?

And if the police does come to imprison you (without proper justification of you commuting a crime), how would the gun ownership help?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Was the kebab (shop) removed then?

had to close, no customers

[Dowly]

Could her shooting range be considered a public accommodation?

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

So the pro gun people are afraid of governmental oppression? Then how does the gun ownership help if there are so many non violent ways to oppress the population?

And if the police does come to imprison you (without proper justification of you commuting a crime), how would the gun ownership help?

You could probably put these questions to the lone guerrilla currently living out his law enforcement evasion fantasy in the Poconos Mountains of Pennsylvania.

I doubt you'd get a a rational answer.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

You can be the master of your own house, no dramas i'm sure.
But to assume that all Muslims are radicals, like our dear little Jan is just nut case material.

For the 1001st time: I describe the ideology of Islam as what it is, with Koran and Hadith, the sura at its basis and fundament. Withotu this fundament, it is not Islam you are talking of, but just an imagination told by subjective fantasy - and then please call it that, but do not call it "Islam": it isn't. And the ideological fundament of Islam is not any different than what I say. You can check that in the most original scripture it claims to be its fundament. Ort do you want to tell Islam that you know better what it is than Islam knows that itself?

Regarding the "me in my shop scenario", I obviously spoke in a far more general context. I would claim the right to deny any customer if that is what I would want to do: refusing to come to a deal with him. It does not matter what my motivation is for that. Like I also determine which price I demand for what item or service I offer.

Regarding Muslims (this time the person, not the ideology), it should be known by now that I see it this way: that the criterion for me whether I could come to terms with somebody claiming to be Muslim is whether I see him following the rules of the Koran, or ignoring them. The Koran would demand a male Muslim to see me as inferior, as an infidel and kuffar that he must help to subjugate and to discriminate (for male Muslims doing so is mandatory by Koran'S ruling), even more, since I am neither Christian or Jew, he would need to wish seeing me being killed, by him, or by other Muslims, since I am an infidel and the Koran demands the killing of infidels that are no members of people of the the book. So, a Muslim living by the Koran for me would be a big problem, obviously. As you and others correctly point out, not all people claiming to be Muslim, indeed want that, and some of these indeed do fall in line with Western cultural demands, values and laws. But it is a fact that by doing so they already have violated what the Koran demands them to do (and I assume for a moment you also do not want to refer to the later-risen tactic of taqiya), and by that from the Koran'S and the Sharia'S POV they are not true Muslims, but apostates, who either fall back into line with Islam, or who are to be killed.

As I repeatedly said, I have talked with several "Muslims" who were in doubt about Islam, and I accompanied two or three of them who turned into full confessing apostates, under great individual sacrifices and emotional suffering, and conflicts. People like you, people of your misled thinking, are betraying thse people, and turn a shrugging shoulder on them, like you also leave families and people in the rain who fled from Isamic tyranny in forign countries, attracted by the promise for liberty and proteciton from rcism in the West - only to see people of your misled thinking denying the terorr they have been thorugh, and enying the reaosns why this terror is being carried oiutk, and denying them the legitmicay of what actually they have experienced themselves and have witnessed with there ver yown senses: you tell them that it is not Islam they were prosecuted by and that wants their women being oppressed. I other words, you laugh the victims in their faces and deny the legitimacy of their claim that they are fleeing from the rule of an dieology's rtule and tyranny that has this content, and not any other. You do that becasue you think you know it better. And you know it better withgout having a cionvincing intellectual basis for your views. You just do not want to admit that Islam could be as bad as it obviously is, that violates your desire for a fair and humane world where we all sit under the tree at springtime, hold each other'S hands and sing happy songs. Hell, I am so sick and tired of this pathologic denial of obvious reality.

Helping those apostates I mentioned to become aware of these contradictions in their thinking (to think of them as muslim identity where in fact they already had decide din their heart that they do not want to live by its grim, barbaric content) was always a major part of their travel towards inner liberalization and freedom, this fight against insane attempts to label themselves as something barbaric that by their humane intentions and ideas they could not and did not want to be any longer. A person that would act and live his life in accordance with the values and ideals of humanistic tradition and liberalism, cannot correctly insist to be seen as a Nazi - it just would nto make sense. A person that refuses to follow the rules of the Koran demanding totalitarianism and intolerance, racism, discrimination, killing and subjugation, cannot claim to be Muslim, for these things are what Muhammad demanded from his followers and what thus is demanded by the Koran. The Koran is not the sermon on the mount. It is a declaration of war against all non-Muslim mankind.

Twist and turn it as long as you want. At the end - you still are wrong. You are not dealing with the real people, Muslims and apostates alike - you are dealing with shadows that are cast by your own mind. In other words, you idea of what reality should be, but what it simply is not.

[Buddahaid]

You bring out your big golden book of stereotypes and check them out. Failing that you hold up a cross and see if they shy away from it. Oh wait that's for something else.....

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Was the kebab (shop) removed then?

Originally Posted by Betonov

had to close, no customers

So...you could say that the Kebab was removed from premises...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You bring out your big golden book of stereotypes and check them out.

That is a way to describe the Koran in a way that I never heard before, but in a way you could be right with your description.

Just that it is not my book, but Islam's.

[Armistead]

I wouldn't sell either, but I wouldn't promote it. My only question, if one opens to the public to sell their goods, can they discriminate on religious grounds only?

[MH]

Another... some not Muslims are evil , some not Muslims are not evil thread....
Big mess are making...those ...not believers.
In reality it is easer to get hit by a car than by not Muslim therefore all is good.

Don't loose your heads over it...it is cultural issue..


Meanwhile in the not Muslim ME....

[Betonov]

That's a Hilux
We can surrender now, convert and save us all the troubles.

they got hiluxes, we don't

[MH]

Originally Posted by Betonov

That's a Hilux
We can surrender now, convert and save us all the troubles.

Hilux is a car for real men around here...embedded in deeply in the culture.
Possibly even mentioned in Koran...Imam Tribesman may have the answer.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Good question .
The short answer is ...No
The longer answer is....No you can't.

thanks for clarifying ...