I officially declare my Business a MUSLIM FREE Zone

[Feuer Frei!]

So says Jan Morgan of the Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range in Hot Springs, Arkansas.

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Just ignore the dumb picture at the top of the article and read the words instead, you are in for a roller-coaster ride of controversy and everything in-between.

I agree with the first line though.

"The western world is at war with radical Islam".



Her paint brush is a very very broad brush indeed.

[ikalugin]

I don't think that it is justified, and it appears to me that it goes against US ideology.

I also wonder where did the 270 million figure come from.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I don't think that it is justified, and it appears to me that it goes against US ideology

I think you might be onto something here

She's a nut job. No diplomacy needed.

[Dread Knot]

The question I always have to ask myself when I see outrageous internet statements like this are; is this a legitimate raving loon, or just a calculated, cynical ploy to gin up business / publicity or drive an agenda?

[ikalugin]

Both probably.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Both probably.

Possibly. Just looking at her little manifesto and all the red button-pushing looks really blatant.

[Wolferz]

She has a right to her opinion just like all of us here.
She also has the right to refuse service in her business to anyone she doesn't like the look of. If she sold weapons and ammo to a home grown terrorist or other murderous individual, some of you guys would be at the head of the line to condemn her for it. Especially if that customer went on a killing spree.

Did the Tea Party nutter logo throw you off that much? She made some very valid points.

Disarming the American populace seems to be a running global theme these days.
You can have my weapons when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. I'll give up the ammo first. Try not to get in its way.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

She has a right to her opinion just like all of us here.
She also has the right to refuse service in her business to anyone she doesn't like the look of. If she sold weapons and ammo to a home grown terrorist or other murderous individual, some of you guys would be at the head of the line to condemn her for it. Especially if that customer went on a killing spree.

She's far more likely to sell weapons to a white young male who then goes on a killing spree, or has their son go on a killing spree after stealing their weapon than she is to sell a weapon or ammunition to a Muslim who goes on a killing spree.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

She has a right to her opinion just like all of us here.
She also has the right to refuse service in her business to anyone she doesn't like the look of. If she sold weapons and ammo to a home grown terrorist or other murderous individual, some of you guys would be at the head of the line to condemn her for it. Especially if that customer went on a killing spree.

Did the Tea Party nutter logo throw you off that much? She made some very valid points.

Disarming the American populace seems to be a running global theme these days.
You can have my weapons when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. I'll give up the ammo first. Try not to get in its way.

I think if it comes to that I won't touch your fire arm. Because it would be poisoned by an airborne chemical agent if you catch my drift.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

She has a right to her opinion just like all of us here.

Sure. But when an opinion is so askew and 'general' and hand-picks phrases out of the Koran and applies that to ALL Muslims then yea, it's an opinion which doesn't do much to raise her credibility.

She also has the right to refuse service in her business to anyone she doesn't like the look of.

Sure. But when you 'paint' a broad stroke with the same brush to all of the same type of persons, be it religious, ethnic, cultural, yellow, green, gay, red or purple, then we have a problem.

If she sold weapons and ammo to a home grown terrorist or other murderous individual, some of you guys would be at the head of the line to condemn her for it. Especially if that customer went on a killing spree.

Oberon covers that.

Did the Tea Party nutter logo throw you off that much? She made some very valid points

Valid? The only valid point made in that article wasn't by her, it was by the reporter.

[ikalugin]

To explain my point - if anyone invades mainland US in such a way that locals would require to use their private arms, then I seriously doubt that there would be any issues with using persistent chemical agents or other such means which would essentially negate the armed population.

[Skybird]

5) My range rents and sells guns to my patrons. Why would I want to rent or sell a gun and hand ammunition to someone who aligns himself with a religion that commands him to kill me?

Indeed.

People who insist on following the Koran, are taboo for me. No. Matter. What.

The ideological fundament of Islam is what it is, and it is non-negotiable, since the Koran is understood to be the word of God. As such, it is a racist, totalitarian and intolerant claim for superiority that demands the subjugation and discrimination of Jews and Christians, and the killing of anyone else who is not 'Muslim" or is Muslim but not in the right way (regulated by Shariah), and the killing of all Jews and Christians that revolt against getting discriminated and refusing to pay protection money. That is the Koran, and so that is Islam. To ignore that, means to talk about anything - just not about Islam.

From a libertarian POV I am totally for owners of shops and places being free to deny people a deal with whom they do not want to make deals, no matter what their reasons and motives are. But lets face it, the servile mind of Zeitgeist claims that to be racist, and so laws have been put into place that forbid shop owners to "discriminate" between different customers (that is the original meaning of the word discrimination: to make/to see the differences between two or more different things). What these laws really mean is that those holding private property in form of such a shop, get partially expropriated.

That is a prime argument why I would be extremely hesitant to open a business in Germany. If I am not allowed to be the master in my house, I have no real interest to build it. If I am not free in refusing customers I do not want to make deals with, then I am out.

Interesting that the ten point list of that shop in the US has been taken off the web meanwhile.

[ikalugin]

What would you use to judge that the customer in front of you is a Muslim though? I mean most male customers would be unlikely to advertise their religious views in any definitive fashion.

[Feuer Frei!]

[QUOTE=Skybird;2247808]

You can be the master of your own house, no dramas i'm sure.
But to assume that all Muslims are radicals, like our dear little Jan is just nut case material.


And The Dept of Justice may have had something to do with the removal of that website link.

[Betonov]

I once made my business a muslim free zone.

my kebab stand went bust after 2 days