Jim Jefferies - Gun Control

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

That the Nazis relaxed the previous strict gun-control laws of the Weimar republic is not opinion, it is verifiable fact. And it will remain fact, regardless of how much postmodernist babble you put on it. And if you don't like having your opinions confronted with reality, I suggest you keep them to yourself.

POSTMODERNIST BABBLE!!! Must be a liberal term for anything that goes against what they believe in.

"Keep opinions to yourself".

Just a question of curiosity. Are all Sub Simmers bitter hateful people like this??? Or is it just a few???

Because so far I have not resorted to calling anyone names, or accusing people of lack of intelligence, but this seems to be the norm if you go against the crowd on this forum.


post·mod·ern·ism
pōstˈmädərˌnizəm/
noun
a late-20th-century style and concept in the arts, architecture, and criticism that represents a departure from modernism and has at its heart a general distrust of grand theories and ideologies as well as a problematical relationship with any notion of “art.”

POSTMODERNIST BABBLE!!! Must be a liberal term for anything that goes against what they believe in.

Belief doesn't come into it

Because so far I have not resorted to calling anyone names, or accusing people of lack of intelligence, but this seems to be the norm if you go against the crowd on this forum.

Your posts are being ripped apart by people of all persuations.
That should tell you something about the content of your posts.
If the pros antis and indifferents are all pointing out that your "facts" are rubbish and your opinions are based on nothing of substance perhaps you should reconsider your opinion and try and use facts to form a new one.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

Why is it that so many people on this site resort to bitter responses like this. If I say something that is wrong, then by all means just say "hey I believe your wrong", and then explain why.

I seem to be hitting people's nerves just by stating my opinion, yet I am constantly hit with little remarks like this. Is there some hidden rule on this forum, do not post any ideas that disagree with anyone else???? I mean really.

As far as facts are concerned, in today's internet society a fact is just a matter of opinion also. I can take any argument and provide a ton of so called facts to back it up. That does not necessarily mean the facts are actual facts.

Hey I believe you are wrong. Because facts don't lie.

Perhaps doing some research on what you are posting about before you post making claims about a subject, might make people more amenable to your posts.

Taking a contrary position is fine, as long as there is factual support for your arguments. Your posting history to date, shows a lack of that research and yet you are posting making claims that when challenged break down as not being supported by actual facts that are actual facts.

If you claim that gun control under any regime has an impact, then its up to you to show the facts that support that claim. If there is a counter claim, then you either concede that claim and become better educated or you provide proof that the counter claim is incorrect.

Its not much different to getting a hostile reaction when someone posts bigoted views. The counter views will come out strongly reacting to that bigotry. Don't cry here because someone calls you out on it, prove your case, or set sail for waters where those ideas are accepted.

The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.
By Stephen P. Halbrook

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Just to make everyone happy

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Fiction.

And incidentally, you should indicate when you are copy-pasting other people's words, rather than representing them as your own.

Absolutely. Sounds like they completely relaxed the gun laws. I was so wrong I cannot believe it.

Whatever was I thinking? Please forgive me all Liberal Morons who think it was just the Jews that did not have guns. Maybe we should follow this exact model and do it all over again.

I mean why ever should we think the Nazis where even bad people? Sounds like they where just looking out for mom and pop's safety.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Fiction.

Because it does not comply with your version of History.

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

Because it does not comply with your version of History.

No. Because it does not comply with any version of history.

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here...... .

If you are going to cut and paste some rubbish from NRO then attribute the words to their author

That piece is so full of factual errors it is a joke

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

Absolutely. Sounds like they completely relaxed the gun laws. I was so wrong I cannot believe it.

Whatever was I thinking? Please forgive me all Liberal Morons who think it was just the Jews that did not have guns. Maybe we should follow this exact model and do it all over again.

I mean why ever should we think the Nazis where even bad people? Sounds like they where just looking out for mom and pop's safety.

Truly pathetic...

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

These words belong to Stephen Halbrook. Did he give you permission to use them? Copyright issues aside, this is the same Stephen Halbrook mentioned in the Fordham Law Review article that I linked to a few posts back. He was wrong in 2004 and I suggest he's likely to still be wrong ten years later if he's still spouting the same rubbish.

I'm beginning to think you are trying to be funny with your posts so maybe we are still OT in relation to comedy.

Originally Posted by TarJak

These words belong to Stephen Halbrook. Did he give you permission to use them? Copyright issues aside, this is the same Stephen Halbrook mentioned in the Fordham Law Review article that I linked to a few posts back. He was wrong in 2004 and I suggest he's likely to still be wrong ten years later if he's still spouting the same rubbish.

I'm beginning to think you are trying to be funny with your posts so maybe we are still OT in relation to comedy.

I don't know why we are even arguing about this. We all know the Holocaust never actually happened. It was just made up by the Jews to make everyone feel sorry for them.

This guy is lying too. No one is going to pop your bubble. Hitler was actually a nice guy. It was all a conspiracy. Just don't tell anyone. It's our little secret.

http://www.infowars.com/yes-hitler-r...-gas-chambers/

Let me post some sites that you probably actually view. Just so I can blend in better. Don't want to rock the boat too much. Might cause some people to fall into the real world.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop..._about_hitler/

Don't ever trust wikipedia. People can change it at any point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany