Jim Jefferies - Gun Control

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Fiction.

And incidentally, you should indicate when you are copy-pasting other people's words, rather than representing them as your own.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Fiction.

Because it does not comply with your version of History.

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

Because it does not comply with your version of History.

No. Because it does not comply with any version of history.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Fiction.

And incidentally, you should indicate when you are copy-pasting other people's words, rather than representing them as your own.

For the record, I thought I had posted the name.

I did not think anyone would actually think I sat here and wrote that entire thing out, but I forgot you are all Liberals, and so you will believe anything. As long as it is not true.

You must have led a very sad and lonely life, DJ Kelley, if you think that calling people 'liberals' is some sort of insult. Though in my case, it is incorrect - I'm a socialist.

...lights blue touchpaper and retires...

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

You must have led a very sad and lonely life, DJ Kelley, if you think that calling people 'liberals' is some sort of insult. Though in my case, it is incorrect - I'm a socialist.

...lights blue touchpaper and retires...

I have no doubt once so ever

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

I have no doubt once so ever

And very little education, evidently...

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

And very little education, evidently...

I know right. I just know history as it was taught before it was revised by people. So your absolutely right. I'm like on a single digit IQ.

I mean man. I don't know how I even get up in the morning. Let alone how I graduated High School Early, and got straight A's in College.

Must have been just luck.

[Oberon]

So, to sum up:

"Here's a joke."
"Ha, that's quite funny."
"It's not bad."
"It's a terrible joke, I like guns."
"Well, that's not really the..."
"I like guns! Guns are good!"
"That's nice but..."
"Countries without guns are silly and have more crime."
"No they don't."
"Hitler hated guns, communists hate guns, guns are good, liberals are bad. I like guns."
"Hitler didn't hate guns..."
"You like Hitler! You're all liberals because you don't agree with me!"
"What?!"

[TarJak]

So what happened to "hey I believe your wrong", and then explain why."? Or did you forget that you wrote that as well.

Originally Posted by TarJak

So what happened to "hey I believe your wrong", and then explain why."? Or did you forget that you wrote that as well.

No I just gave up being nice. I mean I thought we could have honest discussions, but I'm being called names at every turn, I am being accused of being unintelligent. Accused of spewing venom and hate.

That's when I was being nice, and just offering my opinion. I'm just throwing some of it back now.

Your telling me that some professor at a college proved that History is incorrect as it has been taught for over half a century. As if the guy was actually there or something.

Now that most of the people who where actually there are deceased, we can just say anything we want and claim to be extremely intelligent. I find that to be amazing. I mean what else do we want to change?

I know one. Communism actually works, it has just been tried over and over by the wrong people. That's all. If the right people do it, then human nature won't be a factor, and everyone will just live in this wonderful utopia.

You all think I'm joking. I'm being serious.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

No I just gave up being nice. I mean I thought we could have honest discussions, but I'm being called names at every turn, I am being accused of being unintelligent. Accused of spewing venom and hate.

That's when I was being nice, and just offering my opinion. I'm just throwing some of it back now.

Your telling me that some professor at a college proved that History is incorrect as it has been taught for over half a century. As if the guy was actually there or something.

Now that most of the people who where actually there are deceased, we can just say anything we want and claim to be extremely intelligent. I find that to be amazing. I mean what else do we want to change?

I know one. Communism actually works, it has just been tried over and over by the wrong people. That's all. If the right people do it, then human nature won't be a factor, and everyone will just live in this wonderful utopia.

You all think I'm joking. I'm being serious.

So you did read the peer reviewed report then. Or the German legislative documents on which he based the case he put in his paper didn't you..

As opposed to the revisionist history the the NRA have been peddling..

I've been trying to have this honest discussion but so far all your arguments seem to be based on is your opinion that you are right. Which seems to be your only argument in most of the discussion that can be seen in your posting history.

[Jimbuna]

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You have a permit for that six gun?